That the pre-occupation with this topic in Ireland is out of proportion, over simplified, hyopocritcal, one-sided,has become a bandwagon for people to increase their media profile and is not going to achieve anything .don't know what it is you are trying to argue or establish here?
I broadly agree with that but I think that most people are earnest and well meaning and are unaware of the innate hypocrisy of the simplistic framing of the issue by the left wing establishment.That the pre-occupation with this topic in Ireland is out of proportion, over simplified, hyopocritcal, one-sided,has become a bandwagon for people to increase their media profile and is not going to achieve anything
That the pre-occupation with this topic in Ireland is out of proportion, over simplified, hyopocritcal, one-sided,has become a bandwagon for people to increase their media profile and is not going to achieve anything .
Anti-semitic?Judasism
Bono's problem is that he's smart, well read, and understands the subject very well. That puts him at odds with the simplistic populist narrative.Bono, an ardent supporter of Israel and Judasism now speaking out against Israeli govt cabinet member, Ben-Givr.
Yea, that would be weird alright. I'm not aware of that happening.It's weird, if people are not speaking out and marching the streets for one or other particular issues they are accused of not caring. If they do speak out about a particular and march the streets they are labelled as hypocrites and being one-sided.
Bono's problem is that he's smart, well read, and understands the subject very well.
It's hard to have a conversation with someone who misrepresents my point by selectively quoting what I said and presenting it out of context.I don't see how that's a problem?
It's not complicated. As Bono, smart, well read and understanding the subject very well says "here’s a guy, a minister in the government, and he’s not being locked up... this guy’s putting their religion [Jews] in the shade… It’s just outrageous."
It is indeed outrageous what is going on and outrageous there is no accountability for members of the Israeli government.
Its not complicated at all.
It's not complicated. As Bono, smart, well read and understanding the subject very well says "here’s a guy, a minister in the government, and he’s not being locked up... this guy’s putting their religion [Jews] in the shade… It’s just outrageous."
It is indeed outrageous what is going on and outrageous there is no accountability for members of the Israeli government.
Its not complicated at all.
Benjamin Netanyahu is a secular Jew. His actions and beliefs are not informed by Jewish religious beliefs or moral teachings.
It doesn't follow that all or even the majority of Jews support the current Israeli government, and even if most did that doesn't mean all Jewish people should be judged on the actions of that government. Doing so is anti-Semitic.
It also doesn't follow that everyone who supports the existence of the State of Israel supports the actions of the current Israeli government. Thinking so, and conflating Zionism with support for the actions of the current Israeli government, is also anti-Semitic.
It's not acceptable to conflate being Muslim with supporting extremists and terrorists and rightly so. The way in which support for the existence of the State of Israel or just being of the Jewish faith is so often equated with support for the actions of the current Israeli government is deeply disturbing, very bigoted and blatantly anti-Semitic.
If so will you moderate your language in future in order to avoid conflating Zionism and Zionists with those who support the actions of the current Israeli Government?
So what? Do you accept that many people refer to those who support what Israel is doing in Gaza as Zionists? A quick search in this site shows how often you and others conflate the two.In 6 pages of this topic the only poster to use or mention the words "Zionism" or "Zionists" is you!
That's all there is to what? The entire conflict? The State of Israel? The relative moral position of the protagonists? The historical legitimacy of each side?Netanyahu is wanted for crimes of a grave nature. That's all there is to it
It doesn't follow that all or even the majority of Jews support the current Israeli government, and even if most did that doesn't mean all Jewish people should be judged on the actions of that government. Doing so is anti-Semitic.
It also doesn't follow that everyone who supports the existence of the State of Israel supports the actions of the current Israeli government. Thinking so, and conflating Zionism with support for the actions of the current Israeli government, is also anti-Semitic.
It's not acceptable to conflate being Muslim with supporting extremists and terrorists and rightly so. The way in which support for the existence of the State of Israel or just being of the Jewish faith is so often equated with support for the actions of the current Israeli government is deeply disturbing, very bigoted and blatantly anti-Semitic.
It's hard to have a conversation with someone who misrepresents my point by selectively quoting what I said
I'll try this one last time, just to give you a chance to demonstrate that you are not anti-Semitic;I think its best to leave it there then.
It doesn't follow that all or even the majority of Jews support the current Israeli government, and even if most did that doesn't mean all Jewish people should be judged on the actions of that government. Doing so is anti-Semitic.
It also doesn't follow that everyone who supports the existence of the State of Israel supports the actions of the current Israeli government. Thinking so, and conflating Zionism with support for the actions of the current Israeli government, is also anti-Semitic.
It's not acceptable to conflate being Muslim with supporting extremists and terrorists and rightly so. The way in which support for the existence of the State of Israel or just being of the Jewish faith is so often equated with support for the actions of the current Israeli government is deeply disturbing, very bigoted and blatantly anti-Semitic.
I agree with you. The same can be said of those who ignored the plight of the Rwandan Tutsi's in 1994. A million people murdered in 100 days and the origination of the phrase "act's of Genocide" rather than just "Genocide" in order to evade all of our commitments under the 1948 Genocide Convention. This lead to the current nonfeasance by us and others when faced with similar situations. We are also looking the other way to avoid helping the people of Sudan and the people of the DRC. When I say "we" I mean you and I and every other Irish person who talks a good game but actually does nothing. We are armchair critics, wagging fingers and shouting into the void.I have little hope for people of Gaza or West Bank. Gaza is facing an extermination in my opinion. I could be wrong, but if I'm right then those who looked the other way to do political somersaults to avoid action in full knowledge of what is occurring should hang their heads in shame.
Well, if Hamas and the like disarm and the people elect a proper Govt willing to focus on rebuilding Gaza and accept to live alongside Isreal in peace without building war tunnels and firing rockets there would be good hope.have little hope for people of Gaza or West Bank. Gaza is facing an extermination in my opinion
That would be great but the nutters in the current Israeli government don't want that. They want to make Gaza part of Israel and, unfortunately, the nutters in Hamas are giving them all the excuse they need to do that.Well, if Hamas and the like disarm and the people elect a proper Govt willing to focus on rebuilding Gaza and accept to live alongside Isreal in peace without building war tunnels and firing rockets there would be good hope.
Some nutters. But not the general population of Isreal.That would be great but the nutters in the current Israeli government don't want that. They want to make Gaza part of Israel and, unfortunately, the nutters in Hamas are giving them all the excuse they need to do that.
The current Israeli government were elected by the people in a free and fair election. That means that a majority of the electorate probably support what they are doing in Gaza. The government of Gaza was also elected but it is a fundamentalist extremist Islamist terrorist organisation who had murdered and driven out their opposition.Some nutters. But not the general population of Isreal.
But take away the excuse and then lets see
Well its a coalition of 5 parties so pretty diverse I guessThe current Israeli government were elected by the people in a free and fair election. That means that a majority of the electorate probably support what they are doing in Gaza.