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What does that actually mean?
the post 2008 bail out and the resulting concentration of wealth in capital (stock markets, property etc) and the reduction in the real value of labour (work).

You just stated that there is a concentration of wealth in capital and a reduction in the real value of labour since 2008??

Not a loony-leftist in power throughout the period that oversaw a concentration of wealth in capital and a reduction in the real value of labour.

And you are wondering why the centre is failing?
 
And you are wondering why the centre is failing?
No, it's quite clear why it is failing. It's that and the general inability of massively expanded State sectors in liberal democracies to actually get things done. That's a result of grossly inefficient structures and the general inefficiency of large organisations. We in those liberal democracies have already tried far left governments. They have been, without exception, an economic and social disaster. The only left wing party in Ireland which wants to tax wealth is the Labour Party and they are a political irrelevance.
Not a loony-leftist in power throughout the period that oversaw a concentration of wealth in capital and a reduction in the real value of labour.
You can hardly claim that FF and FG are anything other than left wing. They have increased taxes on high earners and reduced taxed on low incomes while massively increasing welfare and pensions and increasing the size of the State. Those policies of the (centre) left governments in this country were supported by the parties who purport to be further to the left; no tax on wealth, increases in the State pension way beyond inflation, and a narrowing of the tax base so that work was taxed more and wealth was taxed even less. All the populist pseudo-left opposition parties will do is increase spending and increase taxes on higher earners but disingenuously call that a wealth tax. That'll just make things worse.
 
They have increased taxes on high earners and reduced taxed on low incomes while massively increasing welfare and pensions and increasing the size of the State

and a concentration of wealth in capital and reduced the real value of labour while cutting taxes on low income?

Maybe they are just trying to be all things to all voters?

Labours proposed wealth tax is to model the Spanish version that allows for large exemptions on family homes up to €300,000 I think. I estimate the equivalent of about €500,000 here.

I think I'll park the interpretation of domestic policies here. Instead Starmer looks like he will be hanging on. A move to the left for UK Labour is on the cards if he is to hang on.
 
and a concentration of wealth in capital and reduced the real value of labour while cutting taxes on low income?

Maybe they are just trying to be all things to all voters?
Yep, as the real value of labour relative to capital drops faster than incomes increase governments tinker around the edges with income taxes.

Labours proposed wealth tax is to model the Spanish version that allows for large exemptions on family homes up to €300,000 I think. I estimate the equivalent of about €500,000 here.
Better than nothing, if only slightly.

I think I'll park the interpretation of domestic policies here. Instead Starmer looks like he will be hanging on. A move to the left for UK Labour is on the cards if he is to hang on.
Probably.
 
Then in order to get elected the left morphs into the kind of populism that was imbodied by Fianna Fail for decades
The kind of thing which brought us, free education, an end to emigration, full employment, and an increase in our standard of living from about 70% of the EU average to 120% over those decades.
 
Starmer doesn't seem to be competent but he's a Centralist, not an ideologue.
Of course Starmer is an ideologue, unlike Corbyn he doesn’t proclaim his ideaology as he knows it wouldn’t attract votes. He, a former public prosecutor, is a Zionist (see the Proscription of Palestine Action) for the power of the state over society (see the Proscription of Palestine Action), for the power of the centre, see the blocking of Andy Burnham’s return to Parliament and a vindictive little man, see title of this thread.
 
The kind of thing which brought us, free education, an end to emigration, full employment, and an increase in our standard of living from about 70% of the EU average to 120% over those decades.
Joining the EU and using the IDA to leverage that membership by becoming a tax haven did most of that. I accept that Charlie Haughey had a road to Damascus type conversion to the science of economics towards the end of his career, and that George Colley as Minister for Industry and Commerce created the IDA as we know it (incorporating it into an independent body with the 1969 Commerce Act) but for most of the rest of the last 50 years they have been pro-cyclical and populist, as have the other left wing parties in Ireland (we have no right wing parties).
 
Of course Starmer is an ideologue, unlike Corbyn he doesn’t proclaim his ideaology as he knows it wouldn’t attract votes. He, a former public prosecutor, is a Zionist (see the Proscription of Palestine Action) for the power of the state over society (see the Proscription of Palestine Action), for the power of the centre, see the blocking of Andy Burnham’s return to Parliament and a vindictive little man, see title of this thread.
When people start using the word Zionist as a pejorative term I stop listening to them. And that's exactly what you are doing. The same applies to people who refer to drug addicts as Junkies, rag heads etc to describe Arabs, and use the N word to describe black people.
 
Is certainly intended as a pejorative term. It does not mean Jewish, it means holding the belief that Israel has the right to behave as it does in Gaza, and in the West Bank. There are many Jewish people who abhor that.

I firmly expect that within the next generation public opinion will loose the distinction between anti-zionist and anti-semitic, you shouldn't rush it.
 
When people start using the word Zionist as a pejorative term I stop listening to them.

Are you taking your cue from the new Zionist head of TikTok, now owned by zionists?

 
Is certainly intended as a pejorative term. It does not mean Jewish, it means holding the belief that Israel has the right to behave as it does in Gaza, and in the West Bank. There are many Jewish people who abhor that.

I firmly expect that within the next generation public opinion will loose the distinction between anti-zionist and anti-semitic, you shouldn't rush it.
Okay, but that's not what Zionist means. A Zionist is someone who believes in the right of the State of Israel, as a Jewish homeland, to exist. I don't think that Israel should have been created in the way that it was but I support its right to continue to exist. That makes me a Zionist. I abhor the behaviour of the current Israeli government, as do many Zionists including the Israeli opposition.
 
I abhor the behaviour of the current Israeli government, as do many Zionists including the Israeli opposition.

Would you recognise and acknowledge the current regime as Zionist?

There is no way in a civilised society based on Western principles of freedom, justice, democracy and the rule of law, would allow a head of government to continue in power after the International Criminal Court issues an arrest for alleged war crimes of starvation and crimes against humanity.

Either the Zionist opposition are complicit with the Netenyahu regime or they are captured by a tyrannical regime.

If the opposition are Zionists, captured by tyranny, then the State of Israel as we know it is not a Zionist State as defined earlier. Therefore the regime should be dismantled.

If the opposition are Zionists, complicit with the regime's atrocities and war crimes, then I'm appalled you would label yourself as a Zionist.
 
There is no way in a civilised society based on Western principles of freedom, justice, democracy and the rule of law, would allow a head of government to continue in power after the International Criminal Court issues an arrest for alleged war crimes of starvation and crimes against humanity.
There's no reason to bring Putin into every thread ;)
 
Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology that necessitated the ethnic cleansing of a pre-existing population of Muslims and Christians in order to achieve its aims. A state with as many Jews as possible and as few non-Jews as possible.

That's what Purple supports subject to the constraints that supporting a state now generally regarded as a pariah, imposes.


Currently Trump is preparing to attack Iran at israel's behest in order to further the goals of Israel.
Netanyahu wants the USA alone to do this for fear of what Iranian missiles could do to his country.
In fact while encouraging the USA to attack Iran, Israel simultaneously contacted Iran to say that they would not attack it, if Iran didn't attack them.
You have to admire the chutzpah.
The Iranians told them that if the US attacks Iran then they will attack Israel because they know the score.

In the meantime the US is engaging in time-wasting talks with Iran while they re-activate their assets in Iran and get their forces in place.
 
Would you recognise and acknowledge the current regime as Zionist?
Yes, in that they support the existence of the State of Israel.
The Israeli opposition and the people who utterly oppose the actions of the current Israeli government are also Zionists. The people who want a two State solution are, by definition, Zionists, in that they want a Jewish State and a Muslim State within Palestine.
 
Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology that necessitated the ethnic cleansing of a pre-existing population of Muslims and Christians in order to achieve its aims.
Israel has 1.8 million Muslim citizens. They also have just under 200,00 Christian citizens.
Gaza had no Jews in 2007 when Hamas took over but they had around 3000 Christians. Before the October 2023 terrorist attack that number had dropped to a few hundred due to the ethnic cleansing of the area by Hamas. Hamas want a Muslim Palestine with no Jews and no Christians. They don't want any Shia Muslims either. For all its many faults Israel is a far less fundamentalist or oppressive State than a Muslim run Palestine. That's because Islam (like Christianity) is a proselytising religion but Judaism isn't.


A state with as many Jews as possible and as few non-Jews as possible.
Yes, but over the last 80 years they haven't expelled their Muslim population whereas in 20 years Hamas have expelled or murdered everyone who isn't them.


That's what Purple supports subject to the constraints that supporting a state now generally regarded as a pariah, imposes.
No, I support a two State solution, roughly as outlined in the Camp David Accords. That makes me a Zionist. Ideally there's be no religion anywhere but we have to deal with reality and reality is that hundreds of millions of people still believe in Bronze Age cults (billion pay lip service to them but they don't actually believe in them).

If you want to pick which religion has a historical claim to the region over the last two thousand years then Christianity wins hands down. Islam didn't become the majority religion in the region until the 1300's and even then only by a small amount. Ironically that was largely due to the Crusader period. Before that Muslim elites were happy to have a large Christian underclass as non Muslims had to pay higher taxes.

Currently Trump is preparing to attack Iran at israel's behest in order to further the goals of Israel.
Netanyahu wants the USA alone to do this for fear of what Iranian missiles could do to his country.
In fact while encouraging the USA to attack Iran, Israel simultaneously contacted Iran to say that they would not attack it, if Iran didn't attack them.
You have to admire the chutzpah.
The Iranians told them that if the US attacks Iran then they will attack Israel because they know the score.

In the meantime the US is engaging in time-wasting talks with Iran while they re-activate their assets in Iran and get their forces in place.
Have you next weeks lotto numbers as well?
 
The Israeli opposition and the people who utterly oppose the actions of the current Israeli government

I see protests against Netenyahu over corruption charges and how he went about returning hostages. I see little, if anything, with regard to the welfare of Gazans, women and children.

Until they reach out to the international community calling for the dismantling of the Netenyahu regime they are complicit in the genocide. Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology.

Zionists spitting at Christians in the Christian Holy Land

"Some ultra-nationalists and settler leaders say spitting at, or near Christians and Churches is a legitimate Jewish tradition."


Thankfully, Christians in the West are beginning to wake up to the reality of the Zionist intimidation and supremacist mentality and call them, and their supporters out, for what they are.
 
I see protests against Netenyahu over corruption charges and how he went about returning hostages. I see little, if anything, with regard to the welfare of Gazans, women and children.
I had you pegged for a Guardian Reader or are they too anti Russian for you?

Until they reach out to the international community calling for the dismantling of the Netenyahu regime they are complicit in the genocide. Zionism is a Jewish supremacist ideology.

That's beneath you. Have you a link to a black person doing something appalling so that we can think all black people are the same?

"Some ultra-nationalists and settler leaders say spitting at, or near Christians and Churches is a legitimate Jewish tradition."
Yep, the whole region has an over supply of fundamentalist nutters.

Thankfully, Christians in the West are beginning to wake up to the reality of the Zionist intimidation and supremacist mentality and call them, and their supporters, out for what they are.
You keep suing that word incorrectly. No matter how many times you say it Zionism is not anything other than a belief that the State of Israel has the right to exist.

The West is liberal because it is no longer Christian. It is secular. All religions are just different brands of crazy. They pervert fundamental human goodness.
 
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