Water Utility collecting PPS Numbers

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So NPPR by the back door?
Precisely, these proposals do seem extortionate for someone not living in their house or for expats who may not even live in the country. Then as it stands at the moment they are only proposals and the eventual charges may not be as high.


There will be no standing charge in respect of principal residences, but a minimum charge may apply to second homes. Irish Water has proposed a minimum charge of €80 per service per year for second homes – a total of €160 for a house using both public water supply and public wastewater services. This was among the proposals that the CER consulted on during August 2014.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_charges.html
 

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Precisely, these proposals do seem extortionate for someone not living in their house or for expats who may not even live in the country. Then as it stands at the moment they are only proposals and the eventual charges may not be as high.




http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_charges.html

There is no standing charge (which all other utilities have) - so they have to cover their running costs somehow. Most of teh running costs are the infrastructure - so an empty house owner should contribute something towards it.

I don't think the figures will alter much if at all - hardly anyone put in submissions to the public consultation.
 

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Would it not make sense to have vacant houses disconnected, so no charges then?
 

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Would it not make sense to have vacant houses disconnected, so no charges then?
From supply and sewage? There will probably be a disconnection and reconnection fee which will be more tham the annual charge.
 

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it will be very expensive now for people to keep holiday homes or second homes in Ireland what with the €160 euro a year for water/sewage charges+ property taxes + ground rents for electricity and gas +house insurance, I reckon there will be another tsunami of houses coming on to the market very soon. It's all great news for the economy and will help stop the current spiral in house prices getting out of control ;)
 

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We are two adults living alone with our children moved on. Do we still have to give our PPS number to get the water allowance or will the allowance be automatically allocated to the house?
 

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We are two adults living alone with our children moved on. Do we still have to give our PPS number to get the water allowance or will the allowance be automatically allocated to the house?
Irish Water have stated that in order to get the allowance you need to supply a PPS number. No PPS - no allowance.
 

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In reply to "What €160 a year to turn off or turn on a couple of taps?? "

Propsed callout charges from Irish Water are €188 for first hour plus €94 for subsequent hours. Thay say that connection/disconnection will not have fixed charges - but will be based on those standard callout charges.
 
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Will I be able to read my meter that is in the ground on the public footpath. I don't want to be a sad bas**** but I will be curious initially to see what my usage is. I hope that our monthly bills are itemised as to weekly usage.
I grow my own vegetables. Last night I needed to put a fair bit of water on these as they were wilting from the recent dry spell. It would be nice to know if I had "spare" water in my allowance so I can treat my veggies now and again.
 

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Will I be able to read my meter that is in the ground on the public footpath.
Yes.
I hope that our monthly bills are itemised as to weekly usage.
They won't be.
I grow my own vegetables. Last night I needed to put a fair bit of water on these as they were wilting from the recent dry spell. It would be nice to know if I had "spare" water in my allowance so I can treat my veggies now and again.
Seriously, are people really going to be counting litres? Although I'm opposed to metered water charges in principle, it's actually really cheap . . just put half a red brick into each cistern in your house and give your parsnips a drink.
 

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it will be very expensive now for people to keep holiday homes or second homes in Ireland what with the €160 euro a year for water/sewage charges+ property taxes + ground rents for electricity and gas +house insurance, I reckon there will be another tsunami of houses coming on to the market very soon. It's all great news for the economy and will help stop the current spiral in house prices getting out of control ;)
Probably a lot of the 2nd/holiday homes are in places like Donegal , since we have a huge amount of vacant homes here, we don,t need the {tsunami}.
You are are all welcome to come for very good houses @100,000.
Please bring the jobs too.
 

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Seriously, are people really going to be counting litres?
Er, yes, michaelm, and I don't think it is "really cheap". As a pair of pensioners on low income (no big Irish pension) with 2 students over 18 in the house, based on the water we use at present we would be paying over €600 a year.
Even if we get the rumoured household benefit it won't bring the cost down to the €200 per year I have spare.
I will have to do more than put a brick in the cistern, flushes will have to be rationed. It's sad and miserable, but I have no choice.

It does irk me that a PPS is required, when the electricity provider did not need it in connection with the household benefit.
 

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It does irk me that a PPS is required, when the electricity provider did not need it in connection with the household benefit.
You apply direct to Social Welfare for the Household Benefit Package .

The PPS number is required to try and stop people with 2 or more homes claiming a free allowance for all of them . Only one allowance for the principal home is allowed.

Some People might try and dodge this - ie one half of couple could be the Irish Water customer at one house and the other half being liable at the second property. (But that would be wrong)
 

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Don't know, but I personally have the PPS numbers of at this stage a large amount of people. (PRTB for landlords requires this) I've accumulated quite a lot of data on people.
Excellent one. Free water for me then. And if I am queried I will tell them Bronte put me on to it.;)
 

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ESB can charge even if no units used so it is better to use some rather than none as a minimum charge kicks in (to pay for the availability of the service)

Bord Gais charge just the standing charge if no electricity units are used, so unlike the ESB they don't fleece their customers for non usage.
 

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Yes.They won't be.Seriously, are people really going to be counting litres? Although I'm opposed to metered water charges in principle, it's actually really cheap . . just put half a red brick into each cistern in your house and give your parsnips a drink.
I will certainly be keeping an eye on usage as I always have done but then again I keep an eye on lots of things and don't waste my money needlessly.
I actually find that parsnips are cheaper to buy in Aldi or Lidl than it is to grow them. My turnips were great this year and I got a double crop out of a packet of seeds.
 

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Bord Gais charge just the standing charge if no electricity units are used, so unlike the ESB they don't fleece their customers for non usage.
as far as i know the reason for the esb charges you refer to is that the esb own the network and most of the infrstructure. the gas company just buy electricity wholesale and then retail it to us. i think it was an arrangement all the electricity and gas suppliers came to with the dept of energy and the regulator. someone might know what charges the esb or electric ireland charge if they supply gas to a customer.
 

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i have just received a letter from dept of social welfare with a form . the need my bank details for to pay 25 euro in to it every quarter starting januay for the 100 euro allowance for the over 66 year old
 

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working this out logically & so if I have this correct...

30,000 + 42,000 litres for our 2 kids. This is not annual, just the free allowance given.

our toilets are 9 litre flushes, times the number of flushes per day.Throw in washing fruit & veg, washing hands & showers, washing machine etc the allowance seems low.
 
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