Water Utility collecting PPS Numbers

monagt

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If I do NOT wish to claim Water Allowances...why does a water utility need my PPS numbers?

When Irish Water is privatised, will the new owners then get my PPS number?
 

rob oyle

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If I do NOT wish to claim Water Allowances...why does a water utility need my PPS numbers?
My understanding is that this is to prove the number of occupants in the house (for water allowance purposes). Why wouldn't you want to claim the allowances? Presumably it'll cost more for the water without them!
 
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I think there is a basic household allowance, then you add in each person.
 

sahd

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Is the free allowance per house or per person (children aside)?
There is a 30,000l annual allowance per household plus 21,000 (proposed) per child aged 17 and under.
They are asking for the PPS numbers of the children to stop false claims for the free childrens allowances. Only one adult PPS number is asked for if you want to claim the household free allowance. This is probably just to try and ensure that people don't claim the allowance for a vacant property and end up paying no water charges for that property. (It is proposed that there will be minimum charge of €160 a year for vacant homes).

More details here - http://www.moneyguideireland.com/irish-water-to-issue-application-packs.html
 

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Looking forward to listening to Liveline when the water charges coming into effect:

Joe: Tell me Mary, how often do you flush the toilet?

Mary: Once a week Joe. I'm afraid if I do it more often, I'll go over my allowance.

Joe: Afraid? Afraid? There's a fear then Mary. Do you hear that listeners. People living in fear in their own homes because of the water charges.

:rolleyes:
 

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Surely that would translate to a minimum €160 charge of for all homes.
Why ? It will be possible for a single person with a water meter to have zero water charges if they use less that 30000l a year.

The minimum charge will apply just to non principal residences (it is proposed)
 

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I am sure there will be a standing charge to ensure we all pay a minimum charge no matter how frugal with water we are.
 

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Why ? It will be possible for a single person with a water meter to have zero water charges if they use less that 30000l a year. The minimum charge will apply just to non principal residences (it is proposed)
That's a bit Irish alright . . an empty house using no water will pay €160 but other can get a zero bill of staying within their quota. I'll be interested if I can get a zero bill so.
 

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When Irish Water is privatised, will the new owners then get my PPS number?
Don't know, but I personally have the PPS numbers of at this stage a large amount of people. (PRTB for landlords requires this) I've accumulated quite a lot of data on people.
 

sahd

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Don't know, but I personally have the PPS numbers of at this stage a large amount of people. (PRTB for landlords requires this) I've accumulated quite a lot of data on people.
The PTRB are allowed to keep PPS numbers -but the forms the tenants fill in are surely for the PTRB and not for landlords to retain the data. I would have thought that retaining PPS details is breaking the data protection regulations ?
I don't see Landlords mentioned on this list http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Personal-Public-Service-Number-Register-of-Users.aspx

(Irish Water aren't either - but I expect that is just because of a delay in updating it)
 

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Why ? It will be possible for a single person with a water meter to have zero water charges if they use less that 30000l a year.

The minimum charge will apply just to non principal residences (it is proposed)
So NPPR by the back door?
 

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ESB can charge even if no units used so it is better to use some rather than none as a minimum charge kicks in (to pay for the availability of the service)
 

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I am sure there will be a standing charge to ensure we all pay a minimum charge no matter how frugal with water we are.
There is not going to be a standing charge - but there will be a min charge for non principal residencies.
 
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