UN - Famine in Gaza

mathepac said:
Given the depth feeling against Israel's ongoing human rights violations, why doesn't the EBU just throw them out?
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I suspect other broadcasters will follow suit, depending on the reaction from EBU. Either they shut out Israel, or risk losing Eurovision.
 
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Sister Sara said:
it was naive of the Zelensky presidency to approve Ukraine's National Security Strategy with the aim of joining NATO in 2020
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After Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, I'm sure Zelensky was trying to protect his country from further, unwarranted Russian aggression.

Sister Sara said:
I'm not disputing Ukraine's right to join NATO no more than the right of Mexico to align with Russia should it wish to.

Im simply considering the naivety of doing this considering the prospective consequences.
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There was obviously going to be some blow-back from Russia, but really, do you think all of this bloodshed and occupation is justified? Again, I think this NATO business is a smokescrean. Putin the Appalling just wants to restore the old Soviet Union. Except, nobody else wants to rejoin! Ever wondered why Russia doesn't have an immigration problem?
 
Firefly said:
After Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, I'm sure Zelensky was trying to protect his country from further, unwarranted Russian aggression.
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That is a fair point.

But you do know that the annexation of Crimea didn't just drop out of the sky?
The democratically elected President Yanukovych had been "given his marching orders", as you put it.

In a democratic society when a constitutional crisis erupts, or a loss of confidence occurs of the government, the civilised response is to hold elections and let the people decide.
That said, Ukraine being the corrupt basket-case that it is, elections may have turned into farce of claims and counterclaims of fraud.

In the West, this revolution is known affectionately as the "Euromaiden". In Putin's Russia, it is known as a coup d'état.

Decide which ever it doesn't matter, the critical point is that Putin showed what he thought of it and Annexed Crimea which had some 60% ethnic Russian population.

That doesn't justify what Putin did, but it shows where Putin stands on European integration for parts of Ukraine that are heavily populated by people identifying as Russian.

Pro-Russian separtists protests emerged in East and South where conflict has ensued ever since.

I have every sympathy for Ukrainians and wish for the peaceful restoration of their country with Putin in the Hague facing his crimes.
I do not like this Zelensky fella at all. Celebrated by Hollywood stars, photoshoots for Vogue magazine while his countrymen were sacrificing their lives, and he even offered to cede Ukraine territory (on a temporary basis, but we know in this country what that means) for NATO membership.

Zelensky is a bag-man for NATO and his decision in 2020 has brought ruin to his country.
 
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I watched Mary Robinson on the Late Late show and she has called the Israeli government out for the liars and murders they are. Facilitated by the Egyptian foreign Minister, she visited the warehouses, full to the brim of food, medicines, medical advices, tents, clothing, blankets, etc. She saw the trucks being loaded and spoke to the drivers, who despite doing exactly what they were told by the border guards (IDF?), told her that 70% of the trucks arriving at the border were being turned back. The Israelis of course deny this.

She said that world organisations need to isolate Israel and the USA as the pariahs they are and she said NaziYahoo cannot give ground as he will immediately lose office, be arrested and face prosecution on corruption charges. A corrupt, genocidal, murderer. How can ordinary, decent Israelis, there must be some left, stomach having him do to the Palestinians/Gazans exactly what the German Nazis did to European Jews 85/90 years ago?

A very impressive interview with P Kielty Esq who just let her get on with it. I'm very proud of her and the other Elders in this appalling situation. Long may she and they reign.

[EDIT} In case you missed it: Interview link
 
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Firefly said:
I'm glad you acknowledge that.
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I have never not acknowledged.

What is disturbing to me is the lack of acknowledgement that in 2009 most Ukranians favoured not to join NATO.


only 28% of Ukranians in favour of joining NATO - Sept 2009

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And by 2014 the President of Ukraine that enshrined Ukraines neutrality into law, accepting it would co-operate with NATO, was ousted in a coup.

And this despite agreement having been reached by Agreement on settlement of political crisis in Ukraine mediated by Germany, Poland and France.
Why is this tolerated or just generally accepted (ignored) by the West?

From there, it is claim and counter-claim as to what happened.

Again, I wish for an immediate end to this senseless war. A full restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty. Putin in The Hague and for Ukrainians to have responsible experienced political leadership to guide it. It won't be Zelensky. Maybe I'm being too hard on him, but he and Putin are obstacles to a settlement now. Both need to be removed one way or another.
 
Sister Sara said:
2009 most Ukranians favoured not to join NATO
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I guess they changed their mind?

Sister Sara said:
Zelensky. Maybe I'm being too hard on him, but he and Putin are obstacles to a settlement now. Both need to be removed one way or another.
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In Zelensky's case, I think he was democratically elected and it's up to the people of Ukraine to decide that.
In Putin's case, we'll those poor Russians are stuck with him really aren't they?
 
Firefly said:
I guess they changed their mind?
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Having the prospect of having your democratic rights and general freedoms taken away due to getting invaded by a totalitarian dictatorship can do that.
Thankfully we have mother England to hide behind.
 
Purple said:
Or us having proper defence forces like a real country which is really neutral
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Not possible to build anything even remotely meaningful to protect an island nation when there is no history of having such forces. So let's talk sense.
 
JoeRoberts said:
Not possible to build anything even remotely meaningful to protect an island nation when there is no history of having such forces. So let's talk sense.
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Yes there is. We can have an Army capable of being deployed, a functional navy, a radar system to detect aircraft in our air space and an air force which can intercept them. You know, just like other proper countries our size in Europe.

We're not talking about holding off an invasion. So let's talk sense.
 
JoeRoberts said:
Not possible to build anything even remotely meaningful to protect an island nation when there is no history of having such forces. So let's talk sense
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I think it depends on what level of security we would like. At a basic level, it should be enough to act as a deterrent. It's like a row of houses near a dodgy area in the city. One small house, on it's own, doesn't lock their gate, leaves their front door wide open and doesn't have an alarm nor a dog. Some of the neighbours have top-end security systems. The small house in this case doesn't need such systems, rather doing basic things like locking up at night, getting an alarm and / or a dog.
 
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