Best Tv Set Top Cable Box?
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To make matters more interesting, for years Cablelink / RTE Relays were illegally rebroadcasting BBC1/2, UTV and C4.
News story from last month.
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news...ital-tv-pirates-to-pay-six-figure-sum-to-upc/
I would assume that attaching a digital decoder to ntl's cable, other than ntl's own offering, is illegal.
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news...ital-tv-pirates-to-pay-six-figure-sum-to-upc/
I would assume that attaching a digital decoder to ntl's cable, other than ntl's own offering, is illegal.
Attaching a decoder or any other device to recieve something for which you have not paid for, or are not entitled to recive is illegal.
Attaching equipment to recive something you have paid for can not be illegal.
You dont hear sky saying you have to use a Sky Digibox.
Attaching equipment to recive something you have paid for can not be illegal.
You dont hear sky saying you have to use a Sky Digibox.
My understanding of what upc provides, via cable, is an analog feed and a digital feed. If you want to use the digital feed, you pay upc for a decoder.
If you're suggesting buying an off-the-shelf decoder to decode the upc digital feed, then that would, IMHO, be illegal.
I am unclear what value an off-the-shelf decoder would offer you for reading the upc analog feed, for which you are paying an subscription.
I am not suggesting that..
That would be illegal ofcourse!
It's not a question of morality. You are entitled to use the upc digital signal if you have paid for the service. If you have done that, why use a 3rd party decoder, if not to access something for which you have not paid, i.e. not entitled to ?
I have a subscription to upc for their digital service. I could get a Starview box to access SKY Sports or Movies, but that would be illegal as I have not paid upc for access.
If you have a different point, then I'm not getting it
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I have agreed all along it is illegal to recieve channels you have not paid for or are not entitled to.
The only thing I am arguing was people saying outright its illegal to connect anything to the Network except an NTL box.
There is nothing illegal about a digital reciever itself. Whats illegal is the modded software which allows the encrytion to be turned on & off.
My point is the following statements are incorrect
I have agreed all along it is illegal to recieve channels you have not paid for or are not entitled to.
The only thing I am arguing was people saying outright its illegal to connect anything to the Network except an NTL box.
There is nothing illegal about a digital reciever itself. Whats illegal is the modded software which allows the encrytion to be turned on & off.
My point is the following statements are incorrect
So If I have paid for Digital service can I not use a different brand of decoder
If this is true please state what law is being broken
If this is true how can you connect your television, DVR etc.
Morality has nothing to do with. Its very simple. Theres 2 different points. People are using terms incorrectly which is why ye are getting mixed up. So pay a bit more attention to how you phrase things will you.
1) It illegal in law to bypass encyption.
2) Its against UPC terms of contact to use a non UPC/NTL box to access their services. Even if you've paid for for those services.
UPC/NTL usually go heavy against any websites/forums talking about it. Boards for example doesn't allow it on their site. They may even ban people talking about it. UPC seem to spend more time talking about that, than actually fixing their problems, and getting decent boxes of their own. Their DVR is painfully slow for example. But its their network and you have to abide by their rules. No one believes you are going to get a non NTL DVR and listen to the radio. Get a grip. You won't sell it to a judge either.
1) It illegal in law to bypass encyption.
2) Its against UPC terms of contact to use a non UPC/NTL box to access their services. Even if you've paid for for those services.
UPC/NTL usually go heavy against any websites/forums talking about it. Boards for example doesn't allow it on their site. They may even ban people talking about it. UPC seem to spend more time talking about that, than actually fixing their problems, and getting decent boxes of their own. Their DVR is painfully slow for example. But its their network and you have to abide by their rules. No one believes you are going to get a non NTL DVR and listen to the radio. Get a grip. You won't sell it to a judge either.
No , you can not. There is no NTL "card" to legally use a third party box. That is difference with sky, they give you a card that can legally by used in other boxes.
- Broadcasting Act 1990 - Section 9, 10 and 11
- Copyright and Related Acts 2000 - Section 372
- EC (Conditional Access) Regulations, 2000 (SI 357 of 2000) - Section 3
Your analogue tv does not decode a digital signal. If it did then it would be illegal.
False!!! Sky cards are matched to a single box. The extra card is an extra subsidised subscription
You are however allowed use any box to recieve free to air stations.
Where in that act does it state you must use NTL equipment
Irrelevant ! since NTL are claiming
The terms and conditions don't allow analogue equipment either. Which is funny. Though obviously its aimed at the digital boxes. Especially the encrypted premium channels.
This is two seperate issues isn't it.
Sky content can be viewed via a sky card in any box.
FTA content can be viewed without a card. Because its nothing to do with Sky.
Did you not read my comment earlier. That is covered by their terms and conditions.
I am sorry, but you don't seem to have any idea what you are talking about.
Sky cards are only locked to one box for movies and sport. There are legal 3rd party boxes to watch a sky subscription channel with a valid sky card.
I agree but jhegerty broght it up
Exactly what I am trying to say all along. FTA content can be viewed using any equipment. Legally the same applies to the NTL network
I asked where in the act, not the T&Cs. The act is Law T&Cs do not make something illegal
You are contridicting yourself here channels on Sky are either FTA or subscription channels. So it seems you agree that FTA channels are legally viewable on Sky via 3rd party equipment, so why would the same be illegal on the NTL network???? {confused}
Then why keeping repeating stuff?
No because the NTL network. The physical cable, is NOT FTA. Can you get it without ANY NTL equipment. No you need their cable, their network. Therefore its not FTA.
Semantics. End of the day you're not allowed to do it. |You keeping using illegal/legal incorrectly too.
You are not watching them on Sky's network.
You are watching then via NTL network.
Its not illegal it breaks the T&C's.