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Quote”Harkening back to your denunciation of the deregulation/price increase coupling, please explain the operation of ESB.”

Do you have to ask such a self-evident question? , We all are well aware of the operation of the ESB, it’s the potential operation that’s under scrutiny.

“We are facing yet another price rise by a state-controlled, regulated utility. Dearie me! How can that happen? Input costs change. Meteorological factors”.

Again another ridiculous jocular remark at the previous poster , did I hear you say something like sarcasm was an injury no wait it was “Sarcasm, my dears. A self-inflicted injury, 'own goal'.”

Anyone one has the remotest sense of operational management and financial astuteness would understand that a large operation such as the ESB require mammoth planning, forecasting, management, procedural process, union interaction, financial and legal management.
The price rise has been substantiated by ESB and as a matter of educating you by way of advice all these documents and accounts are fully accessible by you, Joe Public.


“The avarice surrounding the first flotation of Eircom was palpable. I was asked my opinion of the initial flotation by several colleagues. My view remains resolute. The telecom market in Ireland is too small to support privatisation. Do not buy this dog of an issue.”

The telecom market in Ireland at the moment has three major players in O2 and Vodafone and a third in Meteor, we also have the onset of 3G and broadband so I cannot see how you could advise someone that the market is too small or restricted.
You have to see Eircom as more of a landline supplier, but I am sure your colleagues could probably debate that all day long.
The problem with Eircom was not the commodity but the price of the share on offer,
The price was disproportionate to the potential growth and the current condition of the company, and it was also during the height of the economic downturn, ergo they where a flop. Your argument about privatisation in the market is redundant, most investors where first time investors, looking for a good return on their Celtic Tiger funds. But the best market of all is the property market and while those that dipped and dabbled with stocks where left far behind by the bricks and mortar appreciations.



I am in complete agreement with the clauses in the Nice Treaty that provide for the costs of ameliorating the environment to be borne by the contaminator ('polluter pays'.) Privatisation must be accompanied by both potential reward and loss.
Ok Max now you are getting tedious, can you concoct some clear concise points and substantiate them please as this is straight from the school of BS waffle "Privatisation must be accompanied by both potential reward and loss."
The idea of privatisation is to explicitly the sell off or part of a state sponsored body in the knowledge that they will become more profitable and streamlined and will make a greater contribution to the state and the economy. All business has risk, reward and loss and privatisation is no exception, but you are actually saying that loss must be an acceptable risk, which it is in every part of life.


Max your manifest seems to indicate that the state should pay for the various issues as above, but how to you think they receive their funding??.
Its all about accountability as you state and in relation to waste and bins charges like you said that you agree with the notion that the “polluter pays”, very contradictory considering you feel that the state should fund our growing mismanagement of household waste and not the polluter?

Res Ipsa Loquitur
 
Lost the plot again, did we?<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->
We all are well aware of the operation of the ESB, it’s the potential operation that’s under scrutiny.
ESB has the same external influencers as privately-held power company. But price increases (and I have yet to experience a decrease) by ESB are no more controllable than that of SoCalEd. Customers of public and private suppliers face the same price spiral. The distinguishing trait between them being that public utilities frequently turn to the Exchequer for a subvention or reduce or eliminate their budget contribution.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->N.B. I am not moaning about ESB's price rises. I think they are warranted. And I for one am prepared to pay even more per kWH to shutter the peat-fired smokers in the BMW region.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->
A self-inflicted injury, 'own goal'.
Eircom never should have been floated. From the beginning the taxpayer and subscribers should have been protesting. But 'cute hoorism' reigned once more supreme in Ireland and the CWU members got their ESOP payout and voted FF. Again.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->
The telecom market in Ireland at the moment has three major players...
Correct. Partially. Three dominant players in the mobile market. And they are milking the cash cow (can you say 'highest ARPU in the EU?') for all it is worth. And the 'invisible hand of Adam Smith' was not unshackled when Eircom did float. ComReg is nothing more than a toothless Celtic tiger. None of the post-disposal codicils were immediately adhered to nor enforced (DSL, single billing, FNP, etc.). Eircom was permitted to sally forth unimpeded and unchanged.
But the best market of all is the property market and while those that dipped and dabbled with stocks where left far behind by the bricks and mortar appreciations.
Famous last words? Lest we forget the first lesson of Commerce 101, an asset has no value until sold. Crow about appreciation, but remember that the profit realised upon selling is lost to the seller at the next purchase. Stocks do not operate under such onerous conditions. And before one believes that the property market can be 'timed' (sell high/buy back low) the inventory of available housing stock in Ireland at any given moment pales in comparision to the endless types of issues on the world bourses.
very contradictory considering you feel that the state should fund our growing mismanagement of household waste and not the polluter?
Nope. My motto is 'to each his own'. I subscribe to the northern European methods of waste management. Privatise the collect, sorting, and sale of recyclable materials. A by-product of waste management privatisation is that we would all, overnight, receive multi-compartment bins for sorting our rubbish. Private enterprise will invest in the expectation of reducing labour costs. And if you do the sorting... they do not have to.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->N'est pas?<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->
Greed is good.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->— “Gordon Gecko”
 
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Not really, although Max does manage to distract people from his salient points by hiding them deep within a clever use of words, designed probably to gratify himself rather than provide clarity to his argument.
Maybe Max has an piggy-phobia but at some point during this thread he resisted the urge to descend to personal attacks as before and actually began to provide an informative (if somewhat agressive) and interesting contribution to the debate.
 
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But when you wade through the forest of words his points are relatively lame.
I find his self gratification childish.
 
troll

I think this guy fits in to the troll tag, absolute gormless waffle, I think zinger hit the nail on the head, this guy keeps on contradicting himself and going off into inane drivel, given that his use of the words are very much incognizant and contradictive I feel that it is someone gone berserk with Shift F7.


I mean just take this slice "but remember that the profit realized upon selling is lost to the seller at the next purchase." Yeah hello the seller has made the kill and the risk is gone and profit is in the bag, but the buyer takes all the risk and the potential profit which has been steady 10/25% in the Dublin Market for the 4 years and plus, however past history tells us that property has been a sound more consistent investment than stocks, stocks are unforgiving unlike property, when you loose you lose bad, too risky.

And what is with the “Greed is Good” tag when you are axing the “champagne socialites” on the previous thread, you truly are one incognizant crustacean on the butt hole of literature. Do you work, in what line, I am getting firm ideas here that you must be a first year student who has just done well in his CDVEC English exam? Yeah

A little knowledge is certainly a dangerous thing ! AAM
 
C'mon, lads. Yez tink jez 'cuz he don't spick like uz youz should be makin' fun a him? Don't make a person iggrant cuz de talk dif'rnt. Jayzus!
 
Yeah hello the seller has made the kill and the risk is gone and profit is in the bag,...
And exactly where does the seller live after the sale? Is he enjoying a long dirt nap?<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->N.B. It is 'socialist', not 'socialite'.
 
N.B. It is 'socialist', not 'socialite'.


You have my vote for most annoying AAM-er of all time max. Well done.
 
Aspiring to the top post in Dail Eireann and a burning desire to live in Dumcondra lead me to emulate [broken link removed].<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->The Peoples Choice.
 
And what is with the “Greed is Good” tag when you are axing the “champagne socialites” on the previous thread, you truly are one incognizant crustacean on the butt hole of literature. Do you work, in what line, I am getting firm ideas here that you must be a first year student who has just done well in his CDVEC English exam? Yeah
girth, are you angry that the educational system in Ireland failed you?<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->I have yet to contradict myself. Perhaps the need to post hastily conceived brickbats rather than considered opinion causes a loss in reading comprehension.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Talk amongst yourselves.
 
the seller

the happy seller still lives in his own home. Obviously.
 
> Please look directly into the machine and read aloud definition number 3.

The possessive apostrophe 101:
 
re; possessive 101

Your college buddies won't be impressed Max. You might be out of the fraternity now!!!
 
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