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Unless MaxIdiot is piggy in disguise (assuming a more butch name eh piggy) you should read the thread on "Ireland is sinking" to learn that engaging with MaxHopper is futile at best and brings the thread quickley off topic and into the realm of personal attacks unless "herring breath" is a new complimentary slang.
 
school drop-outs

Hey Max,

Er, I did read that Maynooth has the worst drop-out figure in the country of nearly 30% which is above the national average of 20% which is somewhat at variance at the 50% figure you quote.

Rigggggggggghhhhht. Can I ask if you speak to Elvis on a regular basis?

Drop out does not equate to late finishers by the way so you are being a little disengenous there..

I can expect a multi-coloured parade now I suppose :rolleyes


Regards,

OpusnBill

PS Good one about the herring breath and the comic reference - I guess you'd follow the role model of Steve Dallas then....!
 
Oh right! One is easily distracted when the conversation becomes tedious.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Council housing it is then. Where will all the funding come from to erect the housing? The contradiction which is Ireland does not provide for tax (VAT) relief for charitable organisations. Today, 42% of the new home price is taxes and fees. I would not expect the government to exempt itself, so housing prices would remain inflated. Back to the 'tax and spend' struggle? Undoubtedly. And where would all the 'champagne Socialists' who bought during the previous score of years be if housing prices 'got real'? Has that inequity been considered? Speaking of backlash and chaos, I submit that the masses would eject the socialist government that torpedoed their property values just as the British did the Thatcherites in the 90s and 00s.
 
comic aside

Hi folks,

In case you're interested, my call name is a mix of two cartoon characters in a very popular US strip called Bloom County as is Steve Dallas.

Opus is a penguin, so the herring-breath reference makes sense (well it would if you read the strip!)

I'll waddle off now,

Regards,

OpusnBill
 
More of a Milo Bloom type<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->
 
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>Where will all the funding come from to erect the housing?

In case you weren't aware...council houses are being built all over Dublin as we speak.

>And where would all the 'champagne Socialists' who bought during the previous score of years be if housing prices 'got real'?

They are real Max...or do you believe in the bubble bursting too.
 
Comics

Hi Max,

Cool - where did you get them?

Oh, the memories....!

Regards,

OpusnBill
 
>Where will all the funding come from to erect the housing?

In case you weren't aware...council houses are being built all over Dublin as we speak.

>And where would all the 'champagne Socialists' who bought during the previous score of years be if housing prices 'got real'?

They are real Max...or do you believe in the bubble bursting too.
Here are your answers, Bridget. Plenty of no- and low-cost housing everywhere. And the price? They are real,writes MaxIdiot, so just stop complaining.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->NB. Opusnbill:
 
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>Where will all the funding come from to erect the housing?

In case you weren't aware...council houses are being built all over Dublin as we speak.

>And where would all the 'champagne Socialists' who bought during the previous score of years be if housing prices 'got real'?

They are real Max...or do you believe in the bubble bursting too.
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Here are your answers, Bridget. Plenty of no- and low-cost housing everywhere. And the price? They are real,writes MaxIdiot, so just stop complaining.








I see you have difficulties differentiating between council houses and private houses max. That's a pity. I'm sure Bridget won't be fooled by your stupid commentary though.
 
MaxIdiot:<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->My most sincere apology to the posters. I genuinely thought the fundamental issue was housing and that the taxpayers should provide same. The fine nuance of expecting the public to provide houses to give away rather than providing housing was somehow lost on my begrudging self. How embarassing! And of course all the products in Tesco should be given away, too.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->My hat is off to you for always being fully cognizant of the ramifications to what you are proposing.
 
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>My most sincere apology to the posters

It's probably about time.

>I genuinely thought the fundamental issue was housing and that the taxpayers should provide same.

It is.


>And of course all the products in Tesco should be given away, too.

I wouldn't have thought so no.

>My hat is off to you for always being fully cognizant of the ramifications to what you are proposing.

What am I proposing Max. Please enlighten me?
 
Ohh! No! Not yet! Wait for it. Wait for it. It will be so much sweeter!
 
Hi Max (or should that be Min)

I think there are some sensible points hidden behind all that bluff & bluster, so let's try & dig them out.

Power markets in the US? California, actually is of what you refer to. And the people of California emasculated capitalism in the 80s by way of a referendum that capped energy prices. No-brainer here then. Private operators simply stopped building generating capacity in order to remain profitable (we all understand profit, do we not?) Come the 'energy crunch' of the naughties, someone had to stump-up for the new gear and the shareholders were not up for losing their dividends. Hence the rubberband snapped and prices increased to backfill the gap in capital funding.
Lots of imagination used to back up a weak arguement here. The California electricity price cap came in in 1996 (not the 80's - See source and came after almost doubling of prices over the previous 17 years. In fact, there were price increases in 15 out of the previous 17 years. I presume that your capitalist outlook would expect the people of California to continue to hand over piles of their hard-earned to the directors & share-holders to Enron and the other power companies, but fortunately, the California law makers disagreed with you and brought in the cap. I can't find any reference to a referendum to bring in the cap, though the power companies did later buy the result of a referendum aimed to slow deregulatulation - from [broken link removed]

In what is unarguably the highest price ever paid to buy an election, Southern California Edison, Pacific Gas and Electric and their allies spent $53 million to defeat professor Coyle's proposal to slow deregulation.

And I wasn't just referring to California, as it happens. Failure to regulate the quality of service in the deregulated market was one of the root causes in the recent massive power failure on the east coast. So the great God of capitalism failed the power consumers of the USA.

'last mile syndrome' or the 'access network'. No one to blame here, either. Ireland is an admittedly small place. And like so many low population islands, pays more for most everything. There is no ROI in Eircom. Recall the exhortations of Harney and Kane prior to the first flotation. Did anyone honestly evaluate the profitability of a telcom operating in a confined market? No, the punters were looking at a takeover bid from a British or continental telco. Any imbecile could see that the value of Eircom was in the physical plant. O'Reilly and Soros, did. And now we reap what we have sown. Live small, pay big. There is no incentive (profit, remember that word) for another telcom competitor to invest in Ireland.
I just love the 'no one to blame here' line. What do you expect - we just roll over and get screwed again & again while the great god of capitalism continues to transfer wealth from the average worker to O'Reilly/Soros et al? We were told that privatisation & competition would give better service & better prices to the consumer. Well prices keep going up & service keeps going down.
UK and privatisation. So? Some politicos get the heave-ho. Please identify the strongest economy in Europe (hint: it is the 4th largest in the world).
You've answered the question that wasn't asked. The question that was asked was whether Thatcher's right wing agenda was good for the UK? Maggie divided Britain, North against South & rich against poor. The rich got richer, and the poor got stuck in the fast dwindling supply of council housing without any hope of decent education or jobs.

Any more questions?
Yep - Are you in favour of school privatisation, where [broken link removed] (and then wonder why we have a growing obesity problem?

Or better still, just give us one example where privatisation of state services has worked to the benefit of the consumer?
 
!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am truly amazed at the amount of knowledge here on this thread but more astonished by the lack of wisdom.
 
I'll say one thing for rainyday, while I might not agree with his politics he does put forward well constructed points (and backs them up most of the time) which is more than can be said for most of the contributors on this thread, (and me on occasion).
I think the point about the telethon is a valid one; the people of Ireland , through their government, should pay for the services needed by the most vulnerable in society. The telethon, if it takes place at all, should be an "as well as2 rather than an"instead of" event.
I agree with many of daltonr's earlier points, before this descended into a slagging match. To do something about a problem is always better than just giving out about it, and God knows we are good at that!
 
And the privateer's response -
The California electricity price cap came in in 1996 (not the 80's - See source and came after almost doubling of prices over the previous 17 years. In fact, there were price increases in 15 out of the previous 17 years.
I've just washed my hands and simply can't do anything with them! Mea culpa. Finger-slip. The 90s not 80s. And the legislators of California did not meddle in the energy sector unilaterally. The electorate brought forth numerous referenda on the issue. The 'gummit' simply pandered to the voters (it was not altruistically motivated.) Harkening back to your denunciation of the deregulation/price increase coupling, please explain the operation of ESB. We are facing yet another price rise by a state-controlled, regulated utility. Dearie me! How can that happen? Input costs change. Meteorological factors.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->The review clearly notes -
Cumulative Effects. By early 2001, California's restructuring plan was seen by virtually all observers as a failure.
But you chose to ignore the fact that in retrospect, regulation did, in fact, cause the problem(s).<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Please substaniate this claim -
And I wasn't just referring to California, as it happens. Failure to regulate the quality of service in the deregulated market was one of the root causes in the recent massive power failure on the east coast. So the great God of capitalism failed the power consumers of the USA.
A superior (and redundant) design of interconnect grid cannot be attributed to regulation.
'no one to blame here'
Sarcasm, my dears. A self-inflicted injury, 'own goal'. The avarice surrounding the first flotation of Eircom was palpable. I was asked my opinion of the initial flotation by several colleagues. My view remains resolute. The telcom market in Ireland is too small to support privatisation. Do not buy this dog of an issue.
You've answered the question that wasn't asked.
It was pondered , but then forward-thinking social champions cannot be expected to remember what they said in the past.
Or better still, just give us one example where privatisation of state services has worked to the benefit of the consumer?
OK. Water supply and wastewater treatment. Leaky pipes repaired and maintained. A private operator, faced with massive fines and penalties for carelessness, would not be as cavalier as the 'gummit' over the cock-ups at the 'new' (and still 'quirky') sewage treatment plant in Ringsend.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->I am in complete agreement with the clauses in the Nice Treaty that provide for the costs of ameliorating the environment to be borne by the contaminator ('polluter pays'.) Privatisation must be accompanied by both potential reward and loss. And for the record, I reject any half-measure towards privatisation. Foisting a state monoply onto some of 'the boys' in the name of capitalism is merely cronyism. And we have only ourselves to blame for electing the goons that ignore our welfare and act selfishly.
 
Do I not like this ?

What are you guys on about ? Are the exams over and you have too much spare time on our hands or something ?

Do I not like this ? I think not. Or I think so. Whatever.
 
football anyone?

Graham,
It looks like someone who shall remain anonymous fanies himself as Oscar Wilde or something. Silly really.
 
the costs of ameliorating the environment to be borne by the contaminator ('polluter pays'.)
To clarify, I wish to make the observation of the EU's proclivity towards accountability. Bin charges spring to mind, but we pay for rubbish collection with PAYE taxes, I hear you cry. The increasing tendency to assess costs and charges to individuals rather than the state (and by extention, the Exchequer), supports the fundamentals of capitalism, not communalism.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->But if putting a family up in a B&B on a wet night salves the conscience of the 'champagne socialist' in you, work away. Just do not expect that any good will come from it. Just as redistribution of (your personally obtained) wealth through the disbursement of houses (not housing, which remains the property of the State) develops no self-respect in the recipients.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->But hey,
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
— “Dirty Harry” .
 
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