New Houses in Diswellstown Castleknock

The houses for sale at €440k are numbers 1-19 Diswellstown Avenue, all Swift type and north facing. Great value if you compare to the 3 beds at €410k, cost you much more to convert attic. So the original Swifts that sold for €490k seem to have a €50k premium for orientation. Steep enough,
 
I agree that BP is ahead of both HP and DM based on the house layouts but you pay more for these as a result. It would be interesting to look at each house on a price/sqm basis to see how much difference there is. The look of the HP houses puts me off a bit, from the outside they don't look nice at all. The mixture of colours is really poor. The nicest ones are the grey brick ones but the red brick and buff brick look really poor I think. Where on the other hand DM and BP both look much nicer from the outside.

I think DM is the nicest estate, it's drive in is much nicer than any of the others and has a huge green area out to the front. Both HP and BP will have apartments eventually which DM won't which probably makes DM the smallest estate also. HP is a huge estate and the traffic flow out of there will be a nightmare when it's fully completed given that there is a school also right beside it using the same roundabout for access. This was a huge negative for me when deciding between each of them.

Location wise is subjective really. BP is further away from shops and public transport but is in a much more exclusive area of Carpenterstown. If you get in at the front of HP then you will be closer to the public transport than DM, but much of HP will actually be further away than DM in that regard.

All in all I think any of them are really good, I would happily move into any of them to be honest.

Did you end up purchasing in DM?
 
I had posted this earlier but just for the benefit of the people that maybe new to this thread -



In fairness to the estate agents this does not necessarily mean that those exact numbers of each housing type will be built. It may prove more beneficial for the developer to revise existing planning down the line to react to what the market wants at that time. The latest submission I can see on fingal.ie, specifically FW14A/004, is dated April 2014 so as things stand this is whats planned but I'd imagine it's fluid.

This is true - one of the selling agents said to us recently that they had gone back into planning and changed some of the larger houses to semi d 4 beds. I thought she said 5 beds but maybe she just meant the large detached 4 beds. But yes, the planning is constantly changing.
 
This is true - one of the selling agents said to us recently that they had gone back into planning and changed some of the larger houses to semi d 4 beds. I thought she said 5 beds but maybe she just meant the large detached 4 beds. But yes, the planning is constantly changing.


If you look at the Fingal site, there is an application in right now to change nine 5 bed houses to ten of the 4 bed Lavery style houses. Its under the application FW16A/0011

The 5 bed houses were the shaded ones in the east on the Hamilton Park brochure
 
This is true - one of the selling agents said to us recently that they had gone back into planning and changed some of the larger houses to semi d 4 beds. I thought she said 5 beds but maybe she just meant the large detached 4 beds. But yes, the planning is constantly changing.

There are only 5 Yeats houses in the current plans (all now sold) and from enquiring at the weekend there has been alot of interest in this house type so I wouldn't be surprised if more of these brought into future plans.
 
There are only 5 Yeats houses in the current plans (all now sold) and from enquiring at the weekend there has been alot of interest in this house type so I wouldn't be surprised if more of these brought into future plans.

Like I said just passing on what the EA told us. If there was lots of interest in them in phase one I'd have thought they would have built more than 1 unit in phase two. Impressive house though.
 
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Like I said just passing on what the EA told us. If there was lots of interest in them in phase one I imagine they would have built more than 1 unit in phase two.
Phase 2 construction was under way when Phase 1 went on sale though and the phase 2 houses were already documented in the brochure. I'd expect more detached yeats properties in future developments. Anecdotally when I was at the show houses on Saturday I heard a number of people asking about the yeats houses and despite the 55k increase, the only available yeats sold off plans on the first day of sale.

it'll be interesting to see how the future phases pans out. Any word on the 10% allocation of social housing in either DM or HP? It would be far better to spread the houses through the different phases rather than just plant the houses together at the end of the development.
 
I think they tend to be spread out. It was certainly this way when we rented in a city centre development a couple of years ago.
 
Interesting reading the request for an amendment to the planning permission resubmitted on 29 Jan (FW16A/0011).
Wonder where the 450 residental units in total will fit in - the area boxed off in the current brochure surely can't be to scale if they refer to 450 houses, retail units and a creche?

It appears from the development plans that the apartments won't be directly opposite houses. One think which turned me off BP was the lack of a front garden and looking directly onto apartment blocks. The houses currently facing onto the green at HP and the cul de sacs etc give it a much much neighbour feel IMO than the feel of BP
 
Interesting reading the request for an amendment to the planning permission resubmitted on 29 Jan (FW16A/0011).
Wonder where the 450 residental units in total will fit in - the area boxed off in the current brochure surely can't be to scale if they refer to 450 houses, retail units and a creche?

It appears from the development plans that the apartments won't be directly opposite houses. One think which turned me off BP was the lack of a front garden and looking directly onto apartment blocks. The houses currently facing onto the green at HP and the cul de sacs etc give it a much much neighbour feel IMO than the feel of BP
Current brochure only includes first phase of full developement plan which is 225 no. of units in total including appartments.
 
Any word on the 10% allocation of social housing in either DM or HP? It would be far better to spread the houses through the different phases rather than just plant the houses together at the end of the development.
The houses allocated to social housing in Phase1 of HP were spread through. When asked the EA told us which houses were allocated.
 
There seems to be a move away from building apartments all over where possible and I heard the builder in HP was debating weather to try and scratch the idea as demand for 3 and 4 bed houses much greater. EA mentioned this...

Can't believe it's a 50k premium for orientation? Does this mean new Laverys built without north facing back gardens could be around the 540k mark??? Would make sense I suppose given others went up in next phases...but would be a big jump

DM and BP are private managed estates. All the landscaping etc is great but who pays to maintain it? The total plus insurance, management (50k itself) etc... divided among owners. It works better in smaller areas of higher density. It's 600 (DM) and 650(BP) at the moment but when the builder is done and ownership transfers I'd expect this to go way up, particularly in DM as its bigger. Say the trees in the orchard get a desiese and need treatment, owners get made to pay! Damage to playground, underground drainage, exterior walls, street lighting, sinking fund contribution, increase in insurance = management fee rise for all. A kid falls off a skateboard and claims on the insurance - everybody's fee goes up next year. Keeping those kind of acres ain't cheap and at the moment the builder will be subsidising the maintenance hugely as only a % of units sold. I've lived in a similar place and it's lovely but in 10 years those fees will be more like 1.5k or more a year and if you don't pay you go to court and can't sell your house until you do. If they decide a major upgrade/repair which is 125k total - each resident just gets 1k added to their bill that year. The regulation (MUD act) is weak as hell and I think buying in a place with fees that have to rise given the size of landscaped gardens and volume of units, is not without risk. It's definitely something to consider if you arent used to "managed estates". You pay for your own street lighting like!

Does the 450 units relate to both estates I wonder? They are both built on the same original site? Bit confusing as I agree looks difficult to fit them all in.

I think of all given the layout and sq ft the Lavery is the best house all round if you get a decent garden. Then again if these go to huge money that could change. Be very interesting to see what new ones price at.....
 
Interesting reading the request for an amendment to the planning permission resubmitted on 29 Jan (FW16A/0011).
Wonder where the 450 residental units in total will fit in - the area boxed off in the current brochure surely can't be to scale if they refer to 450 houses, retail units and a creche?

It appears from the development plans that the apartments won't be directly opposite houses. One think which turned me off BP was the lack of a front garden and looking directly onto apartment blocks. The houses currently facing onto the green at HP and the cul de sacs etc give it a much much neighbour feel IMO than the feel of BP

Agree with this, green area always a plus. Took a walk into first cul de sac and much better than I thought. Also agree that for the price BP should have front garden, don't think any do.

Also looked at Rokeby Pk near Larchagon - absolutely stunning houses. Huge detached plots, drives for 3/4 cars etc... But the prices are crazy for the location. A nice setting but not if you want a pint of milk or to get to work...
 
There is not a €50k premium for south facing - south facing swift in phase one sold for €450k.
 
Does the 450 units relate to both estates I wonder? They are both built on the same original site? Bit confusing as I agree looks difficult to fit them all in.
450 units related to HP only, it's around 438 now taking latest planning into consideration.
I guess between the terraced houses, duplex units and apartments they will get them in. Site is very large and will eventually occupy the land between DM and the M50 and back up to Mulberry.
450 now comprising 16 detached houses, 93 semi-detached houses, 124 terraced houses, 25 duplex units and 192 apartments...
 
There is not a €50k premium for south facing - south facing swift in phase one sold for €450k.

A friend paid over 500k for one of these and I saw people quoted even more in the sales office, one with corner site and south facing was I think 570k. Big plot but nowhere near 450k... The gardens are all different sizes too...

There was already at least a 30k difference for south facing houses in Phase 1. North facing Yeates was 585k and south was 620k or more at the time.

Even the 2 Laverys as you drive in were priced at a premium with east facing gardens on day 1. I doubt a south facing one in next phase would be less than 525 or 530k given the prices for other types. I wouldn't be surprised if they went to the 540 mark.

Impossible to know as none for sale...
 
Ignoring the corner sites, some of the south facing swifts went for €450k - despite the initial advertised €490k asking price. I would take what the sales office are saying with a large pinch of salt - particularly for the larger / more expensive units and this can be seen now with lower initial asking prices for phase 2 units. The prices they started off with on day one were all over the place as I don't think they really knew what people were willing to pay, especially with other new houses in close proximity! The property price register will be very interesting when all of phase 1 finally close as it will clearly show the price / value of all the units sold to date and give prospective buyers a more realistic idea of the price going forward.
 
Has anybody got their snagging completed for any of Lavery or any other houses yet?
FTB2016-Yes it is true that property price register will give people idea of prices but the fact that register does not include VAT so will not reflect exact prices that ppl have paid. Current price register shows most of three bed houses sold for €348,017.62. So what's the actual price for these houses then..
 
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