Sorry, where's the contrarian view there? Vaccinated people have a lower risk of being infected....that's what we've been saying all along!The well educated among us know that you don't have to look to far to hear contrary viewpoints such as those expressed recently by the "uneducated" Professor McConkey and Dr De Gascun, never mind the recent article published in the Lancet which found that:
"People who have two doses of vaccine have a lower, but still appreciable risk, of becoming infected within the Delta variant." and also that
"Peak viral load is similar in the vaccinated and unvaccinated which may explain why they can readily pass on the virus in household and indoor settings.
Maybe you can explain to the simpletons, who aren't gifted with your intellect , why a vaccinated person infected with SARs COV2 , can legitimately enter a pub but a non infected unvaccinated person can't ?
Peak viral load is similar, but (a) vaccinated people are less likely to get infected and (b) less likely to have symptoms (so less coughing, sneezing etc) and (c) clear the virus from their system faster, so viral load after 7 days is far lower than unvaccinated.The well educated among us know that you don't have to look to far to hear contrary viewpoints such as those expressed recently by the "uneducated" Professor McConkey and Dr De Gascun, never mind the recent article published in the Lancet which found that:
"People who have two doses of vaccine have a lower, but still appreciable risk, of becoming infected within the Delta variant." and also that
"Peak viral load is similar in the vaccinated and unvaccinated which may explain why they can readily pass on the virus in household and indoor settings.
Denmark didn't test 8percent daily ,that was their capability. Their system did work they were open for 6 months longer than us that's fully open with rates much the same..you needed a negative test within days to enter a bar ,restaurant etc not a vaccination cert.Case in point they removed this need and numbers went up to where they are today around 7000 up 3000 daily in month ish. They have now gone back to their original system and I believe will knock numbers back quickly variant or not. Unlike Ireland they are not letting vaccinated or the unvaccinated pass it around .Also unlike Ireland their daily figure is truer and more real because they are testing simple as.Pushing antigen tests even aldi ones is way forward stopping it as quick as possible and not trying blame few unvaccinated for spread which is untrueDo you have a fool proof, practical, and affordable method of testing people to that .nl in mind that Denmark's testing of 8% of the entire population on a daily basis wasn't able to achieve it.
Reading some of the comments on that link made me think that some peoples priorities are a little warped and there seems to be a total lack of understanding of what a pandemic is.Will be interesting to see how the government responds to this...
Recommendations, included in a letter from Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan to Health Minister Stephen Donnelly, include a 5pm closing time for pubs and restaurants.
NPHET recommends 5pm closing time for pubs and restaurants, Cabinet set to meet tomorrow
It comes amid warnings from the HSE that the health service is at extremely high risk levels.www.thejournal.ie
Yes, I can see that happening certainly on weekdays, though perhaps not on christmas eve and weekends.I just imagining a publican in say Ballymacarberry or a publican based half way between Castlegregory and Blennerville waking up to the possibility that they can only sell alcohol before 5.00pm in any day. Likely, before this they weren't selling any alcohol before 5.00pm anyway. There is no point in them even opening their doors or turning on their electricity if the 5.00pm "curfew" is applied. But, of course there'll be lock-ins.
I hope they push back against the 5pm thing and just leave it as is (11:30pm is it?).So I wonder if government will row back on it, or perhaps go with that later time.
That's the omicron "hope" ... we might be lucky with this variant.Omicron may prove to be the variant we need to move on from this, as it looks like it is less serious and it looks like we will all get it. Thankfully, despite high numbers of cases, hospital numbers have continued to edge downwards.
There appears to be some kick back growing among government back benchers.I hope they push back against the 5pm thing and just leave it as is (11:30pm is it?).
I think it would be a big mistake for the government to not push back on this, both for their political self-interest AND management of the pandemic.I hope they push back against the 5pm thing and just leave it as is (11:30pm is it?).
It might not be the solution but it can only help . I would say that you tried hard to leave at 8pm though .....I went for a pint and tried to leave at 8pm just to test the concept.
Can't see this idea being part of the solution
Pub magnets are hard to get away from.It might not be the solution but it can only help . I would say that you tried hard to leave at 8pm though .....
Exactly, then you have the open border with northern Ireland, we have completely diverged from them now, they all must think we have gone mad here. It's stuff like this that makes talk of a United Ireland a load of rubbish. The young will be flocking to Belfast now to party and will bring in the omicron anyway. You can go into a pharmacy and get free antigen tests there if you are worried about socializing. Why was this small measure not brought in instead of closing down hospitality yet again.I think it would be a big mistake for the government to not push back on this, both for their political self-interest AND management of the pandemic.
I think last November as well, the government were bounced into a Level 5 when Level 3+ would have been sufficient, but wasn't given enough time to kick in.
One of the 'carrots' to getting the vaccine was access to hospitality. Ditto for boosters.
Now we have a situation where government are scrambling to restart booster in 5th gear & shutting down hospitality?
Boosters should have been where the battle was fought and it should have been #1 priority for weeks now, now days.
Michael Martin's comments about booster vaccine reluctance looks worse by the day.
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