There are a few unvaccinated in my local and they drink outside in the beer garden. If they need to visit the loo, they mask up and travel the 8/9 feet .
Its not impossible for them and they don't seem put out by it either.
Perhaps you should take your own advice, you continue with drivel, and try to justify your view which we know is simply nonsense.You really need to stop the nonsense.
But if they are and you are vaccinated the chances of getting infected is greatly reduced.The vaccinated person at the table beside you could be infected with sars cov2 and infectious.
And lots of those cases are among the unvaccinated, far higher than their % in the populationI specifically referred to an non infected unvaccinated person. How can a non infected person infect others?
The fact is that an infected person with a vaccine pass can legitimately go in to a pub or night club whereas a non infected unvaccinated person cant. We are one of the most vaccinated countries in Europe and have one of the highest infection rates.
Establishing who is infectious could have been implemented months ago by embracing antigen testing, which hilariously given the snake oil reference to the Lidl antigen tests by Philip nolan, are now being mandated by government. The Ferguson report was out last March. Talk about being behind the curve again.
???We are one of the most vaccinated countries in Europe and have one of the highest infection rates.
But if they are and you are vaccinated the chances of getting infected is greatly reduced.
Again plenty of properly conducted studies to backup this.
And lots of those cases are among the unvaccinated, far higher than their % in the population
To know they are non infected...
You'd need to establish authorised providers of antigen testing which can be available for daily testing... as self administered tests are not reliable.
Antigen tests are prone to high false positives.
So I'm not saying don't use antigen testing, but it's not a straightforward as you make it sound.
Far more important priority to get people vaccinated
And how are those countries doing? They are experiencing a pandemic of the unvaccinated because they facillitated the unvaccinated, whereas we used a carrot \ stick approach of get the vaccine if you want to socialise ... given the differential hospitalisation rates for vaccinated v unvaccinated I think our strategy made more sense at the time.You are well wide of the mark on Antigen testing and we are one of the last countries , if not the last, in the EU EEA to embrace them .
They are extremely accurate when an individual is infectious and twice weekly testing has been shown to counter false positives. Michael Mina has written extensively on this topic.
I'm pro vaccine in general.
Antigen testing will produce a false negative in a lot of cases. This review of 64 studies shows:You are well wide of the mark on Antigen testing and we are one of the last countries , if not the last, in the EU EEA to embrace them .
In people with confirmed COVID-19, antigen tests correctly identified COVID-19 infection in an average of 72% of people with symptoms, compared to 58% of people without symptoms.
You need to stop focusing on the impact of one unvaccinated or vaccinated person with Covid. The health measures are a means of reducing overall transmission and attempt to keep it at a level where our economy can operate as close to normal as possible without the health service being overwhelmed.The vaccinated person at the table beside you could be infected with sars cov2 and infectious.
And yet they don't need to be barred, but they feel so special and think they are the defenders of democracy and civil rights, but in reality they are selfish self centred nobodies who can't see beyond themselves.Yet they're the ones who are barred from entering the pubs and clubs.
You are well wide of the mark because you've ignored the critical point of the advantages of twice weekly testing which I already pointed out to you.And how are those countries doing? They are experiencing a pandemic of the unvaccinated because they facillitated the unvaccinated, whereas we used a carrot \ stick approach of get the vaccine if you want to socialise ... given the differential hospitalisation rates for vaccinated v unvaccinated I think our strategy made more sense at the time.
Antigen tests can miss someone in early stages of infection, you can be negative on a Tuesday but positive on a Wednesday. Antigen test validity for a 'pass' is therefore 24-48 hours only.
They are prone to false positives especially when conducted by a non professional.
So are they extremely accurate when self administered by someone who wants to go the pub that night?
Who is going to conduct the test?
How many tests is that a day and who pays for it?
I'm not against antigen testing- professionally administered and paid for by the person themselves - giving a limited time 'pass' for hospitality and events for the unvaccinated.
How are any of those questions wide of the mark?
You need to stop focusing on the impact of one unvaccinated or vaccinated person with Covid. The health measures are a means of reducing overall transmission and attempt to keep it at a level where our economy can operate as close to normal as possible without the health service being overwhelmed.
We now have 549 cases in hospital with 97 in ICU. There is absolutely no doubt that removing the requirement for vaccination to enter a bar or restaurant will have anything other than a negative effect on those numbers.
So a bit like obese people and Type 2 diabetics are are unnecessarily taking up hospital beds ?And yet they don't need to be barred, but they feel so special and think they are the defenders of democracy and civil rights, but in reality they are selfish self centred nobodies who can't see beyond themselves.
You are well wide of the mark because you've ignored the critical point of the advantages of twice weekly testing which I already pointed out to you.
NPHET have just recommended them to government btw
NPHET recommends twice weekly antigen testing
The National Public Health Emergency Team has recommended that people who frequently go to nightclubs, bars and restaurants should take twice weekly antigen tests.www.rte.ie
Well people with type 2 diabetes should not be clubbing or suckin pints. And I understand diabetes is an integral part of my life.So a bit like obese people and Type 2 diabetics are are unnecessarily taking up hospital beds ?
Why are saying this?So a bit like obese people and Type 2 diabetics are are unnecessarily taking up hospital beds .
And that is simply impossible so we are forced to accept less effective measures that actually can be implemented.There won't be a negative effect if you stop infectious people going to the bars and clubs.
Why are saying this?
People with those illnesses are being denied access to hospital beds by people who haven't taken up the option of getting vaccinated.
Its really difficult to understand you, I feel there is an underlying reason why you type what you do, because its passionate.
So, let's re start the clock, why are you so, against the simple idea of vaccines and the benefits they bring?
And why do you insist on using one by one examples to try and further your point?
This is a global pandemic, and the idea around vaccines being the "devils work " is nonsense and the pub isn't the best place to solve things either.
So, the alternatives are for you are fo explain why you take the stance you've adopted, without proof , or simply say that my experience is xxxxx, I know the posters here will be wanting to hear and most will give their view, to help, or .......
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