Was the N7 third lane the biggest waste of money ever?

Driving in the bus lane on the N11 (when permitted on Sunday or after 7pm) is another story - hardly anyone seems to know that this is allowed
There is a bus lane going towards Dundrum Shopping Centre which has a big sign on it saying "bus lane not in use" yet the majority of drivers seem oblivious to the fact.
 
It may indeed be less disruptive but it’s still in breach of the rules of the road
It's safer to behave in a predictable way than to follow the rules of the road to the letter.

Other drivers won't be expecting you to cross 4 lanes (two out, two back) to pass a car travelling slower than you in the middle lane.
 
Other drivers won't be expecting you to cross 4 lanes (two out, two back) to pass a car travelling slower than you in the middle lane.
If you are already in the leftmost lane and there is a slower moving vehicle in the middle or rightmost lane then you just stay where you are. Overtaking required you to change lanes.

If you are in the left or middle lane and catch up with a slower moving vehicle in your lane then you must overtake it to the right.

Alternatively, if you are a middle aged man in an SUV, you can drive up their backside, flash your lights and blow your horn until they move over then gesticulate aggressively and mouth obscenities at them as you pass... because they were driving dangerously.
 
It is not the same as following a row of vehicles who happen for some reason to be moving faster in the left lane and are not trying to pass out the vehicles ahead in the same lane,
There is no requirement in law for an overtake to involve a lane change. Overtaking is simply the act of passing and so the above is indeed an offence unless you are in slow-moving traffic.
 
We are talking about motorway driving here not splitting hairs,
Who's splitting hairs? You suggested that passing someone without changing lanes was not passing them, I just clarified that is not the case in law.
 
I think the main problem here is the difference of interpretation between "overtaking" and "passing." Overtaking is an active process, involving signalling, moving out (to the right) when safe and then moving back into the same lane. Passing, say on the left lane can mean the driver does nothing in terms of speed - merely that the traffic lane(s) to the right have slowed for whatever reason. This happens all the time especially on the likes of the M50 - even at relatively high speeds. Quite typically it can happen when someone on the outside (fast) lane moves to the center lane often into a narrow gap. Drivers then hit the brakes momentarily and that lane slows down. In practice that shouldn't mean everyone in the left lane should follow suit - for no reason. This is how pile-ups can happen...
 
It's safer to behave in a predictable way than to follow the rules of the road to the letter.
Perhaps. but I’m always wary of the possibility that cars in an outside lane will suddenly veer left when they cop that they’re in the wrong lane. After all, they’ve already displayed a lack of awareness.

If that happens when another car is “undertaking”, who’s at fault?
 
Whoever is changing lane is at fault. You need to check the lane is clear before moving into it.
 
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Overtaking is an active process, involving signalling, moving out (to the right) when safe and then moving back into the same lane.
That's not correct! It's defined as passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction. The stipulations around signalling, lane changes, broken lines etc. are required to complete the manoeuvre legally, but the absence of any one of them doesn't mean an overtake isn't an overtake. The law on overtaking animals and other such obstacles does not require a lane change.

Indeed the legislation had to be amended to make it legal for cyclists and scooters to overtake on the left and there's no lane changes or signalling required for such overtaking.
 
never knew cyclists and Scooters were allowed on a motorway,
Tell me you don't have a clue about our road traffic legislation without telling me you don't have a clue?

The section of legislation that outlines what a driver must do to overtake legally makes no distinction between road types.
 
The section of legislation that outlines what a driver must do to overtake legally makes no distinction between road types.
Lots and lots of cases got thrown out in court in relation to speeding coming up to a motorway and on the motorway ,
But the Judge makes a distinction between road types when it came to applying the law,
 
There is no requirement in law for an overtake to involve a lane change. Overtaking is simply the act of passing and so the above is indeed an offence unless you are in slow-moving traffic.
All of the information relating to overtaking in the Rules of the Road assumes that a maneuver is involved so while it may not be overtly stated it is understood to be the case.
If I'm travelling in the leftmost lane on a motorway and a slower moving vehicle is in the middle land I would never change lanes to pass it on the right.
 
Lots and lots of cases got thrown out in court in relation to speeding coming up to a motorway and on the motorway ,
But the Judge makes a distinction between road types when it came to applying the law,
You want to share some examples so I can see what that has to do with defining overtaking?
 
All of the information relating to overtaking in the Rules of the Road assumes that a maneuver is involved so while it may not be overtly stated it is understood to be the case.
There is no such reference in the legislation and technically, driving in a straight line is a manoeuvre. The section of legislation on overtaking makes no reference to signalling or lane changes. In the definitions, Overtaking is simply defined as

" overtaking " includes passing out, and cognate words shall be construed accordingly​

I'd also be slow to use the idiot's guide as a reference to the finer details of the legislation, there have been multiple occasions where the Department have taken them to task for misinterpreting the law where it has take them years to correct, like they were still insisting cyclists were obliged to use cycle tracks where provided years after the department tackled them on it and a subsequent change to the legislation further clarified the position.
 
The poor motorist is left in a bit of a bind then. They are tested on their knowledge of the Rules of the Road to qualify for a licence but their actions while driving are then held to a different, higher, and possibly even contradictory set of laws.

Suggestions:
  • Burn all existing copies of the Rules of the Road,
  • Disband that part of the RSA that deals with them
  • Scrap the need to prove knowledge of them as part of driver's licence testing
  • Test learner drivers only on their knowledge of the legislation as enacted
  • Dispense with need for lawyers and judges to study road-traffic legislation
  • Try all alleged road-traffic infringements in courts with volunteer drivers as judges, jurors, prosecutors, and defendant advocates
  • Simplify, save millions, and avoid confusion.
Alternatively, judge driver behaviour on the roads against the standard they are currently educated to.
 
Alternatively, judge driver behaviour on the roads against the standard they are currently educated to
The courts judge according to the legislation of the day, education isn't a factor.

Coincidentally, I saw Kildare Gardai posted to their social media cannels yesterday of a driver pulled in for driving in the right lane of the N7 for failing to move left. The fact they were also holding a phone might have triggered the stop but good to see them taking action.
 
The courts judge according to the legislation of the day, education isn't a factor.
Which is what my post is about. Change and be consistent, for a change. Educate to and judge against the same standard and avoid confusion.

We suffer the costs of judges, courts and lawyers because the road traffic laws, and legislation generally are complex; change the horrendously expensive and confusing model where the road traffic laws are concerned.
 
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