Ceist Beag
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Was the N7 third lane the biggest waste of money ever?
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No need 
The trouble is when you need to overtake.
To pass a slow driver who’s in the middle lane it’s necessary to move two lanes to the rightmost lane and then move left again.
It's very frustrating to do things properly which may be further encouraging others to stick to the middle lane.
To pass a slow driver who’s in the middle lane it’s necessary to move two lanes to the rightmost lane and then move left again.
It's very frustrating to do things properly which may be further encouraging others to stick to the middle lane.
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Which is exactly what seems to have delayed me for an hr and half yesterday on the N7 at Kill, not quite sure what happened but it was in the left lane coming up to a slip road.
A lot of the close ones I see there are middle lane hoggers darting across two lanes at the last minute to exit. Many of those I see joining and heading straight for the middle lane look to be mor nervous drivers who want to avoid dealing with traffic leaving or joining at subsequent junctions.
I've seen people stopped by marked and unmarked cars for overtaking on the left, but not once seen them stop someone in the middle lane who was not overtaking.
Well you have to be careful at all times for nervous people driving in the left lane or Drivers not used of Motorway driving as you said
nervous drivers joining and heading straight to the middle lane,
Sometimes I finish up driving in the left lane behind a slow moving vehicle because I have a nervous front seat passenger nervous of motorway driving and I finish up driving at a slower speed than I normally drive at,
that is when I notice nervous drivers or drivers not used of driving on the Motorway doing all kinds of silly things coming up to traffic joining the motorway,
I suspect motorway driving is not covered when people are doing the Driving test or taking lessons to Drive or pass driving test,
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A lot of people that I see are not nervous drivers but think they are in Mondello. They are in the fast lane and suddenly realise their exit is coming up and make a dash....sometimes using indicators, but sure they are for other people...it seems to them. There are a lot of stupid drivers on the roads including the M 7
Including Drivers who do not realise There are lots of nervous Drivers and Drivers who may not be used of Motorway Driving to watch out for at all times,
obviously Audi and BMW's come without indicators, everyone knows that.
Joking aside, the scenario above was one I saw at 10pm last night, in the pouring rain at the Kill junction southbound.
I have driven a lot to Dublin in the last few weeks and every day without fail there has been ' maniacs ' on the road...not so bad going but coming home has been an experience without doubt. It's not just nervous drivers causing problems. Some people just can't handle the fact of having cars in front of them ....at all. They will pass on either side and certainly are speeding.
It's only because the roads are very busy at that time of evening ...it seems..
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It's only because the roads are very busy at that time of evening ...it seems..
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Howth Head
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I don't think this is true. The speed limit is the same in all lanes of a three of a three-lane carriageway. If you're on the inside lane, you're perfectly within the law to drive faster than cars in the middle, or outside lane if they happen to be going slower. (Assuming you're within the speed limits.)
My understanding is that you can pass on the inside only in slow-moving traffic but certainly not at speeds approaching the speed limit.
2 Lane Moterway
Very simple rule Keep Left on The Motorway, keep left on the motorway unless you need to overtake a slower vehicle or vehicles or if the left lane is blocked,
Once you have overtaking move from the right lane into the left lane as soon as it is safe to do so
3 lane Motorway
there is an extra overtaking lane (lane 3)
But you should still keep left as much as possible i.e. don't drive in the right lane ( Lane 3) if the middle lane (Lane 2)is empty or the middle lane (Lane 2) if the left lane is empty ,
this is what caused lane jumping at the last minute large empty spaces between vehicles in the left lane,
Correct, it is an offence to overtake on the left unless
As above, I've seen several cars pulled over for doing it, but not once have I seen the Gardai do anything about those who cruise in the middle lane.
Exactly, it's slow-moving and not just a little slower than you want to go. 10kph under the limit could not be construed as slow. Defining it in such a manner means the Gardai don't need to have your actual speed captured on calibrated equipment in order to act.
Is overtaking on a Motorway not classified for want of a better word moving out of existing lane to overtake pass out the vehicle/vehicles in front of you,in the same lane
To keep it simple take for example a 2 lane Motorway,
To overtake Correctly you would have to be in the left lane to overtake The Vehicle/Vehicles in front of you
To overtake you move out from the left lane into the right lane you accelerate past/overtake the vehicle/vehicles in the overtaking lane in this case the 2nd lane and move back into the left lane again ahead of the vehicles you accelerated when it is safe to do so
To overtake Incorrectly you would have to be driving in the right lane known as the overtaking lane to over take the vehicle/vehicles in front of your vehicle you would move into the left lane accelerate/overtake the vehicle/vehicles and again when safe to do so move back in front of the vehicle/vehicles that were driving ahead of you in the 2 lane,
In other words to commit a road traffic offence of overtaking (on the left on a 2 lane motorway to keep it simple) once you start the manoeuver of accelerateing to pass out the vehicle/vehicles in front of you in the 2nd lane(overtaking Lane once you enter the left lane and start to pass out the vehicle in front of you in the 2nd lane, (the flashing blue lights will come on and of course you will get pulled over in the left lane,
It is not the same as following a row of vehicles who happen for some reason to be moving faster in the left lane and are not trying to pass out the vehicles ahead in the same lane,
I was Driving on the motorway today lots of times i seen drivers in the right lane slowing down and moving into the left lane to get ready to leave the the motorway at the next junction, not saying it is the correct way , A few times today the left lane was moving faster than the right lane no vehicles trying to overtake in the left lane even if the wanted to how could they when the right lane was going slower than the left lane,
The problem appeared to be drivers hogging the right lane instead of moving into the left lane a few drivers indicated there intent they wanted to move from the right lane into the left lane they left lane drivers smoothly let them in,
To keep it simple take for example a 2 lane Motorway,
To overtake Correctly you would have to be in the left lane to overtake The Vehicle/Vehicles in front of you
To overtake you move out from the left lane into the right lane you accelerate past/overtake the vehicle/vehicles in the overtaking lane in this case the 2nd lane and move back into the left lane again ahead of the vehicles you accelerated when it is safe to do so
To overtake Incorrectly you would have to be driving in the right lane known as the overtaking lane to over take the vehicle/vehicles in front of your vehicle you would move into the left lane accelerate/overtake the vehicle/vehicles and again when safe to do so move back in front of the vehicle/vehicles that were driving ahead of you in the 2 lane,
In other words to commit a road traffic offence of overtaking (on the left on a 2 lane motorway to keep it simple) once you start the manoeuver of accelerateing to pass out the vehicle/vehicles in front of you in the 2nd lane(overtaking Lane once you enter the left lane and start to pass out the vehicle in front of you in the 2nd lane, (the flashing blue lights will come on and of course you will get pulled over in the left lane,
It is not the same as following a row of vehicles who happen for some reason to be moving faster in the left lane and are not trying to pass out the vehicles ahead in the same lane,
I was Driving on the motorway today lots of times i seen drivers in the right lane slowing down and moving into the left lane to get ready to leave the the motorway at the next junction, not saying it is the correct way , A few times today the left lane was moving faster than the right lane no vehicles trying to overtake in the left lane even if the wanted to how could they when the right lane was going slower than the left lane,
The problem appeared to be drivers hogging the right lane instead of moving into the left lane a few drivers indicated there intent they wanted to move from the right lane into the left lane they left lane drivers smoothly let them in,
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Howth Head
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This would be my reading. Overtaking in the strict sense means passing the driver directly in front of you - by moving to the right of course - and then moving back in again. The speed limit is the same on all lanes - and in real-world driving the lanes work independently of each other. When I'm driving in the left lane I can't be bothered constantly tapping the brakes to make sure I'm not travelling faster than someone who is driving at erratic speeds in the middle or outer lanes.
Driving in the bus lane on the N11 (when permitted on Sunday or after 7pm) is another story - hardly anyone seems to know that this is allowed - even the Gardai. I get constant dirty looks especially when approaching traffic lights at, say the likes of White's Cross when I sail past two rows of a dozen cars each - to a just-arrived green light. (Am I seriously supposed to slow down to a crawl 'till they all sail past me?)
The comments are worth reading here:
Undertaking – have you been breaking the law?
Undertaking is the practice of overtaking a slower moving vehicle on its left-hand side. Here we’ll clarify the rules around undertaking.
www.rac.co.uk
"As Jeremy Clarkson once said, if there was room for someone to undertake you, you were in the wrong lane. I undertake quite often. It feels less disruptive to move from lane 1 to lane 3, overtake the middle lane hogger and then move back to lane 1 again."
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He’s referring to someone in the middle lane. He’s right.
It may indeed be less disruptive but it’s still in breach of the rules of the road.