Trump Culture has arrived in O Connell Street,

I'm just an urban PAYE worker, with every increasing costs that are growing quicker then my income. Where is my €500m??
 
TRS30 said:
But, but.....they were 'protesting' on behalf of the people of Ireland so I assumed some of the money was coming my way!
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Yes, of course, as long as you are an "ordinary working person". It turns out that is actually a small number of people. They are nearly all men (possibly all men), definitely white, definitely Irish born, and mostly business owners and/or land owners.
 
Purple said:
Yes, of course, as long as you are an "ordinary working person". It turns out that is actually a small number of people. They are nearly all men (possibly all men), definitely white, definitely Irish born, and mostly business owners and/or land owners.
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Is 3 out of 4 enough??
 
Purple said:
Everyone who isn't a haulier or a farmer
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But polling suggests that a majority of people in Ireland supported the haulier and farmer protests. Surely that section of "us" should be thanking them?

Especially now as the EU Commission appears to be on board with introducing measures to bring down energy bills?
 
Sister Sara said:
But polling suggests that a majority of people in Ireland supported the haulier and farmer protests. Surely that section of "us" should be thanking them?
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Yep, all the Shinner/ Independent Ireland supporters and other populist nationalists and a small minority of those who support centre-left parties. The same people who are in favour of protests at IPAS Centres etc. They would, I'm sure, thank them.
 
Sister Sara said:
And a sizeable rump of FF voters no doubt considering the turbulence that party went through in the days following the protest.
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14% of FF voters and 18% of FG voters, according to the Indo Poll so very little support by Centre Left Parties. Most support was amongst those who support populist/nationalist, right-wing/nationalist and far left parties.
 
Purple said:
14% of FF voters and 18% of FG voters, according to the Indo Poll
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Fair enough. Either way, the poll still states that 56% supported the protests, only 38% opposed. 6% no preference/undecided. At the time, if I had been asked I would have been part of the 6% as I was unsure of the underlying premise of the protests and wary of any sinister influence from far-right agitators for ulterior motives other than fuel prices.
As the days wore on, it emerged that it was a group of ordinary working people, hauliers and farmers and fishers.

Either way, anyone driving a vehicle should be starting to feel the benefit now.

This was my diesel price this morning.

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And now that the EU Commission is on board to introduce measures to reduce energy costs across the EU I was just curious as to who the protestors were supposed to be marching to give a "Thank you" too?
 

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Sister Sara said:
Either way, the poll still states that 56% supported the protests, only 38% opposed. 6% no preference/undecided. At the time, if I had been asked I would have been part of the 6% as I was unsure of the underlying premise of the protests and wary of any sinister influence from far-right agitators for ulterior motives other than fuel prices.
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A vague poll taken before the 'protests' started to get sinister.
It is completely out dated.
Come back to us with an updated poll and see how many people respond yes to:
I support the protests to blockade refineries even if it means I can't drive my vehicle.
I support the protests to blockade roads even if it means I can't bring my children to school.
I support the protests to blockade roads even if it means I can't get to my medical appointment.
I support the protests to blockade roads even if it means I can't get to work.
 
Sister Sara said:
Either way, anyone driving a vehicle should be starting to feel the benefit now.

This was my diesel price this morning.
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I am a supporter of parliamentary democracy and am in opposition to mob rule. That position is not for sale, certainly not for a few cents off a litre of diesel.

Sister Sara said:
And now that the EU Commission is on board to introduce measures to reduce energy costs across the EU I was just curious as to who the protestors were supposed to be marching to give a "Thank you" too?
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Do you think that the EU commission was roused to action by the farmers and hauliers? Was the Skibbereen Eagle also watching? I certainly wouldn't have said James Geoghegan was one for such grandiloquence but if you think his reach extends to the corridors of power in Brussels who am I to disagree.
 
odyssey06 said:
A vague poll taken before the 'protests' started to get sinister.
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Nothing 'vague' about the poll. It was a carried out by 'Ireland Thinks' which, according to their website, are a professional polling data organistion.

The poll was taken one week after the protests began so the blockade (which I was personally against) was in place and fuel shortages in garages beginning to emerge.

Regardless, the EU Commission is now on board for nation states to introduce measures that will reduce the energy costs for European citizens and businesses. Regardless of whether you agreed with the protests, or methodologies deployed in the protests, it would appear that rising cost of energy has prompted the EU Commission to take action to relieve some of those costs.

In short, the hauliers, farmers and fishers had a valid grievance.
 
Purple said:
Do you think that the EU commission was roused to action by the farmers and hauliers?
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No, of course not. So it must be something else? What could it be?

Purple said:
I am a supporter of parliamentary democracy and am in opposition to mob rule. That position is not for sale, certainly not for a few cents off a litre of diesel.
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So you must be delighted that the EU Commission is now on board for nation states to introduce measures to reduce energy costs through their parliaments?

All I asked was were the protestors ahead of the curve? It would appear that they had a valid point and genuine grievance about rising energy costs if the EU Commission also recognises the rising cost of energy and is prompted to introduce measures to assist nation states to reduce those costs.
 
Sister Sara said:
Nothing 'vague' about the poll. It was a carried out by 'Ireland Thinks' which, according to their website, are a professional polling data organistion.

The poll was taken one week after the protests began so the blockade (which I was personally against) was in place and fuel shortages in garages beginning to emerge.
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It was totally vague. Do you support "the protests".
People could take away all minds of meanings to that.
Did that include the blockade of the refinery?
Question wasn't asked. How many people answering the poll were aware that it was a blockade and not just people demonstrating outside it and included it in their definition of "the protests".

Please provide exact details of the when this poll was taken and when the protests began.
Because as I recall the protests, at least the ones that got media \ national attention, started on 7th April and the poll appears to have been taken over Friday 10th April.
Shortages and disruption was getting worse as the 10th April wore on. Count how many garages were out of fuel on the friday morning by friday night.

It's a vague poll that was outdated as it was being done.
 
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