Here is David Cameron annoucing Brexit referendum in 2016.
Not one mention of the UK.
All about Britain leaving the EU, not UK.
DUP are playing everyone for a pup.
DUP identify as British for sure. But Britain is not the UK, it is a part of the UK. As you have identified, Britain and NI are two separate entities within the UK.
Ive never heard the term 'Britain' used a common reference to NI.
I have heard to NI being reffered as being 'British', ruled by Britain, but that ignores the century old dispute since partition.
In any case, the legislation to hold the referendum is for the UK.
It is more the mindset of those that brought us Brexit that I was thinking of.
NI was never given any consideration by the British political establishment.
Ok, perhaps im splitting hairs. Im just someone who has never recognized NI being synonymous with Britain. Under British rule, yes, but not part of Britain (geographical entity) nor it being British (cultural or political entity)
I will accept that when Cameron spoke only of Britain, and not a mention of UK, that common impression would suggest that he was referring to the whole of UK.
However, considering the absence of any direct reference to NI by Cameron, Farage, Johnson during the campaign, then such disregard in Irish affairs is synonymous with British government treating such affairs as secondary to its own interests.
NI is separate to rest of UK, despite what DUP pine for.
We never gave NI much consideration in EU referenda (except the Shinners) but we had no practical way of implementing the outcome of the referenda in NI.
The British government are able to implement laws and referenda outcomes in NI, which only points to their absolute disregard for Irish interests as secondary to British interests in perpetuity.
Just as Northern Ireland is not part of Britain this is not the Republic of Ireland, it is just "Ireland"or, if you are speaking in Irish Éire (not Eire, that's a slightly misspelled lake).When we (as in Republic of Ireland) voted in EU referendums like Nice or Lisbon, did we give Northern Ireland much consideration? I don't remember it coming up in the campaigns.
Just as Northern Ireland is not part of Britain this is not the Republic of Ireland, it is just "Ireland"or, if you are speaking in Irish Éire (not Eire, that's a slightly misspelled lake).
People who speak Irish and project a sense of superiority, as if they are more Irish than those who can't speak the language fluently; they really annoy me. That's just tribalism too.Most times I will say Ireland but in the context of this thread I needed some more descriptive way to mean not the entire island of Ireland, but rather than political entity representing the 6 counties. I must remember to use Éire but fadas annoy me!
When in 1979 we broke with sterling, did we consider the effect on NI, on people living in border counties?
When we went to the needless (and dangerous) folly of changing road signs to kilometers did we consider its NI and border impacts?
NI is very low down the priorities of Southern politicians and electorate alike.
Our decisions in referendums, currency, and in many other respects such as speed limits (noted above) directly and indirectly affected Northern Ireland
Yes, and will continue to do so.
The issue at hand is the decision taken by UK to leave EU (absolutely their right) and the impact, directly and indirectly on Ireland as a whole, and on the prospect of a hard border and, most likely, such a border invoking violence.
When we changed our road signs, it had no effect. When we changed to euros, it did not invoke violence.
But if the UK is set about taking control of its own trade rules and regulations outside of the EU, then in all likelihood customs posts and checks will have to be placed along the border. Such customs posts and checks will invoke some to use violence.
The extent, or impact of any return to violence is unknown. It may have little effect, today. But in 10yrs, it could be wholly different.
The point being, that throughout its existence (with exception of last 20yrs), the border in Ireland has been synonymous with violence, sectarianism and division.
It is for these reasons that the Irish government is taking the stand it is taking.
The deeper integration within the EU, and distancing from the UK on issues of major economic purpose such as currency, and a hundred other decisions like speed limits, trade rules and regulations, is what has complicated the withdrawal process.
If our absolute priority was zero prospect of a border on both sides, well neither the Irish nor UK government acted like that in their major decisions
there's no real reason why in 2019 it should mean violence unless people want a return to it.
And most times the only way you'd notice that border line was those speed limits signs. Were any blown up?
The DUP would see the streets red with blood before they give an inch on the Britishness of Northern Ireland.Why take the risk, when a simple NI only backstop can resolve the matter?
Well yeah. It is the point we have been discussing in the last few posts, how much consideration do we really give to NI when making big changes that affect them?I don't know, did we consider the effect on NI? Is there a point here?
Why then the warnings that speed limits are in kph? Do we really want Billy living on the Down side of the border thinking he can drive at 120 mph? On a more serious note, the decision to enter the euro was entirely political on our part. We ignored completely the damaging impact it would have on the all island economy and on the trade with our biggest trading partner. And we nearly, nearly went down the financial plug hole following the euro induced credit binge (but let's not digress).Needless, perhaps. Dangerous!...you are kidding right?
On constitutional matters it is the only issue. I doubt it resonates more than will there be tax cuts in October.NI may be "low down" the list of priorities for Southern electorate on many things, like road signs for instance, but on constitutional matters it resonates deeply.
Ask the friends of Lyra McKee about the GFA ending conflict once and for all. Won't happen as long as their are hardline republicans in our midst, which leads to my next point:So all Leo is doing is standing by and standing over what was achieved in the GFA - an opportunity to end the conflict in Ireland once and for all.
These factions will be with us for a long time yet. Why are we letting them wag the dog? Leo is now prepared to plunge us into a No Deal economic catastrophe and increased opportunities for the factions, just because he was afraid of the factions in the first place. Coudn't make it up1798 Man said:And for the relatively small factions that are prepared to use violence it provides an opportunity to do just that.
What do you suggest he does?Leo is now prepared to plunge us into a No Deal economic catastrophe and increased opportunities for the factions, just because he was afraid of the factions in the first place. Coudn't make it up
5 year time limit. That will really get the DUP and the Mad Brexiteers hopping mad, but if the card is played shrewdly at the right moment Boris and Jeremy might find it very difficult not to agree together to proceed with this amended version of Theresa's WA.What do you suggest he does?
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