Sudanese War

Purple said:
They don't care about Sudan.
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The media, yes. Irish people no.

Yesterday, An Taoiseach Mícheál Martin, speaking on behalf of the Irish government representing the people of Ireland put the Sudan conflict front and centre on the international stage, along with Palestine and Afghanistan. Maybe you missed his speech? Or maybe you missed the reporting in the media today?
I don’t blame you if you did , while the media reporting on his speech was widespread the part about Sudan was very, very sparse. In fact, Martin, representing the views of Irish people with authority recognised this in his speech “We must not allow the absence of dailyheadlines to become a licence for inaction.” Martin clearly understands how it is the media that has the power to alert the people to this tragedy. “The people of Sudan deserve thesame attention, urgency and solidarity that we rightly extend to crises elsewhere”. How do the Irish media respond today? Palestine is front and centre (rightly) but Sudan is just a footnote.

The refusal of IDATU members to handle South African produce started in July 1984. Very few paid attention until Archbishop Desmond Tutu arrived in Ireland to meet the strikers.
With it, came media attention. The subsequent refusal of SA authorities to admit the strikers into SA on Tutu’s invitation heightened the media attention. This, along with cultural movements in other Western societies garnering media attention – eg Give me Hope Joanna, Sun City (I’m not gonna play) brought pressure to bear on Western governments to act against the SA apartheid government with Ireland being the first country to imposesanctions against SA produce.

That’s why there is an explosion of solidarity with people about Palestine over the last 2yrs despite the conflict going for near 80yrs. The horrors in Gaza and the genocidal rhetoric of the Israeli government has been exposed through widespread media coverage.

https://www.findglocal.com/IE/Dublin/315805308293219/Ireland-Sudan-Solidarity-Collective

You can get involved by contacting issc@irelandmail.com to help raise awareness.
 
Purple said:
They are helping to sustain and support a country which is committing genocide.
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Ireland has €2.5bn trade with UAE through an EU trade association agreement. Wouldn’t it be more effective to end, or suspend that arrangement than targeting some unidentified Irish people on very dubious allegations?

Purple said:
They are providing medical treatment to the people ordering and funding that genocide.
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Have you anything to substantiate that claim?
Purple said:
They are probably treating the soldiers who are participating in that genocide.
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‘Probably’ is someway off what you said about them ‘enriching themselves from slavery and murder’. If they are medics, they are duty bound to treat the injured without imposing or assuming judgement on them. I'm sure that is an internationally recognised norm?

Purple said:
They educating the children and the young men who will soon be participating in genocide.
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Are they are educating the children and young men to participate in a genocide?? Have you anything of substance to back this up or is it just another outlandish claims that sets the tone to dehumanise children and young men before they ever done anything wrong?

If they are simply providing education - reading, writing, etc, they are as likely, more likely I'd guess, to be educating the very people that will end this conflict and perhaps hold those responsible to account one day.
 
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Sister Sara said:
I don’t blame you if you did , while the media reporting on his speech was widespread the part about Sudan was very, very sparse.
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The Irish media report on the things that thy know the Irish people are interested in. Thaat's why they don't report on Sudan.
 
Sister Sara said:
Ireland has €2.5bn trade with UAE through an EU trade association agreement. Wouldn’t it be more effective to end, or suspend that arrangement than targeting some unidentified Irish people on very dubious allegations?
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I was talking about the Irish people working in a country which has what is in effect slavery, and how their participation in it supports that slavery.
Sister Sara said:
Have you anything to substantiate that claim?
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Yes, they work in the hospitals.

Sister Sara said:
‘Probably’ is someway off what you said about them ‘enriching themselves from slavery and murder’.
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No it's not; you are conflating two points.
Sister Sara said:
If they are medics, they are duty bound to treat the injured without imposing or assuming judgement on them. I'm sure that is an internationally recognised norm?
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Yes, but they choose to live there and so treat those people.
Sister Sara said:
Are they are educating the children and young men to participate in a genocide?? Have you anything of substance to back this up or is it just another outlandish claims that sets the tone to dehumanise children and young men before they ever done anything wrong?
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Yes, the people who will be in the Army in a couple of years are not in school.

Sister Sara said:
If they are simply providing education - reading, writing, etc, they are as likely, more likely I'd guess, to be educating the very people that will end this conflict and perhaps hold those responsible to account one day.
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How do you come up with that? Are you suggesting that the UAE will become a liberal democracy soon?
 
Purple said:
The Irish media report on the things that thy know the Irish people are interested in. Thaat's why they don't report on Sudan.
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Respectively disagree. Most people's interest in anything is often derived from what the media reports first. The interest in Palestine stems directly from media reporting of matters. Without media reporting, how would Irish people be even close to having a clue what is going on?
 
Sister Sara said:
Similar to your claims of Irish teachers and medics "enriching themselves from slavery and murder"
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No, Irish teachers and medics are enriching themselves by choosing to work in a country with no income tax. The reason there is no income tax is because they have such a high level of slavery.
 
Sister Sara said:
The interest in Palestine stems directly from media reporting of matters.
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Initial media adttention might raise some awareness, but it is consumer interest that drives media coverage.

Where two situations receive media coverage but one story gains significantly more engagement than the other, the outlets dedicate more and more coverage to the popular issue to feed that interest and earn the media companies greater sales and ad revenue. The more popular story then gets more prominent placement across all media channels along with more varied and in-depth coverage. It's a self-reinforcing cycle as the broad coverage continues to ensure that topic gets wider attention and retains focus.
 
Leo said:
Initial media adttention might raise some awareness, but it is consumer interest that drives media coverage.
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Which comes first. Chicken or egg. I don't think anyone can dispute that sections of the Irish media are driving thie Gaza issue to a level that is beyond the public interest. RTE are obsessed with it.

CNM are also driving media coverage of topics and agendas that the Govt are giving funding for.
 
JoeRoberts said:
I don't think anyone can dispute that sections of the Irish media are driving thie Gaza issue to a level that is beyond the public interest. RTE are obsessed with it.
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I don't think there's any evidence that RTE are driving this beyond levels of public interest at all. Many of those current journalists would have grown up on the coverage in the '70s and '80s when Palestinian factions were providing support to the IRA.
 
Leo said:
Initial media adttention might raise some awareness, but it is consumer interest that drives media coverage.
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Yes I would agree with this in general. I think the media attention needs to be sustained. I've heard reports of journalists citing that it is hard to get to, or to get information out of the conflict areas in Sudan which would go someway to explaining the deficit of attention amongst the public.
 
JoeRoberts said:
Just need to look at the Rte frenzy over the game, particularly Tony O'Donoghue and his relentless asking of political questions rather than sporting questions.
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That's not evidence at all, look at the most read stories from the weekend, the public are lapping it up.
 
JoeRoberts said:
Just need to look at the Rte frenzy over the game, particularly Tony O'Donoghue and his relentless asking of political questions rather than sporting questions.
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These are normal questions to ask in the absence of political decision making. Israel has been cited by UN as committing genocide. Its leader is wanted for war crimes. Russia also has a leader wanted for war crimes, UEFA has expelled Russia from its competition. It is the rank hypocrisy that is fueling these questions. Tony O'Donoghue doesn't get to ask these questions about Ireland playing Russia, because the governing body applied its rules to Russia.

If the Premier League do not apply consistent punishment to Man City in accordance with the rules you can expect journalists and media to have a frenzy over it.

Its not complicated.
 
Sister Sara said:
He is a reporter first and foremost. His field is reporting on sporting occasions and events. Whatever is occurring in the sphere of Irish sport he is duty bound to report it.
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He's no more duty bound than a plumber is to fix a random leaky tap. Can we stop pretending some jobs are on a higher moral plane and are bound by some sort of sworn oath. It's a job. That's it.
 
Purple said:
It's a job. That's it.
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Yes, and he is paid to carry out his duties. That is all he was doing, asking questions following the failure of the Irish team to attend a scheduled press conference and training session. He wasn't the only journalist asking questions, it was all over the Irish media, in parts of UK media and Israeli media.

O'Donoghue was just doing his job, some people want to silence him.
 
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