Sudanese War

because Irish people in general care about Palestinians and don't care about black Africans.
I have to take issue with that generalisation @Purple.

We have a history of caring for black Africans. In my infant school there was a collection every single week for the "Black Babies", "Na Leanaí Gorma" where irrespective of our families' rung on the wealth ladder, we were each expected to contribute 1/2d or 1d to a collection box in their aid. There were collection boxes in every class-room, in every grocery shop, post-office, vegetable shop and The Merciless Nuns ran concerts where the likes of the HarmoniChords, who morphed into the Bachelors, Othmar Remy Arthur, Frankie Blowers, and so on played weekly concerts in the "halla" to raise funds for the missions to black Africa. When concerts became passé, past pupils organised discos in the halla and the funds collected at the door went to the African missions - Irish teenage sweat and hormones supporting black child welfare thousands of miles away.

My late father's 1st cousin, a nursing nun, though I can't remember what order, died back in Ireland from an illness contracted while helping to run a children's hospital in Africa. My childhood best friend's older sister from a CoI family on our street nursed at a children's clinic in Africa. She met her husband out there. They came home to marry, went back out and settled there, still caring for Africans their entire working lives.

Please don't generalise about who and what we support and have supported as a nation,; we have been catholic in our caring.
 
@mathepac, it’s a long time since the missions were a thing for most of the country. It’s more than 30 years since we cared about a famine or war in Africa in any meaningful way. We may well have cared in the past but we don’t care now.
 
We may well have cared in the past but we don’t care now.

Can you suggest why you think this is so?

Certainly the out-pouring of public support for Palestinians is clear that we are a nation that cares. But then again, the Israeli genocide has huge amounts of media interest.

I recall attending a rally in support of 'The Great March of Return' in 2018 in the small town where I live. It was following the IDF execution of 21yr medic Razan al-Najjar while attending to other wounded. Even that atrocity only invoked 2 dozen people to attend.

The last rally I attended to end the genocide in Palestine there was easily 400-500 people.
 
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Can you suggest why you think this is so?
We’re a rich country now. Back then we were a nation whose population left and were immigrants in other countries. Now we are rich and people come here and we’ve lost our empathy.
I’m sure if there were 50,000 Palestinian refugees here with the associated problems and the tendency we have to blame others for the shortcomings in our dysfunctional state services, as well as the extreme fundamentalist religions beliefs held by the majority of Gazans, there would be far less sympathy for them too.
 
We’re a rich country now. Back then we were a nation whose population left and were immigrants in other countries. Now we are rich and people come here and we’ve lost our empathy.
I’m sure if there were 50,000 Palestinian refugees here with the associated problems and the tendency we have to blame others for the shortcomings in our dysfunctional state services, as well as the extreme fundamentalist religions beliefs held by the majority of Gazans, there would be far less sympathy for them too.

Ok, you are shifting the goalposts.

We were talking about famine, wars in foreign lands and why we care about Palestine, but not about the war and famine in Sudan, the persecution of Uyghurs in China etc.
I was suggesting we, as a nation do broadly care but outside of Palestine and Ukraine, we know little about those other matters as they feature little in media outlets.

You are suggesting that we, as a nation, blame refugees for our dysfunctional state services. This is a different matter and holds some merit.

The outpouring of solidarity and flag-waving for Ukraine refugees at the outset of the Russian invasion does appear to have demised somewhat, but I would stop short of saying we don't care about Ukrainians.

Do you think we no longer care about Ukrainian refugees?
 
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The outpouring of solidarity and flag-waving for Ukraine refugees at the outset of the Russian invasion does appear to have demised somewhat, but I would stop short of saying we don't care about Ukrainians.
I think that it diminished in inverse proportion to the number on Ukrainian refugees in the country. We're great at telling other people what they should do but not great at sharing their load.
Do you think we no longer care about Ukrainian refugees?
Far less than we did when the war started. What do you think?
 
Far less than we did when the war started. What do you think?

Somewhat less, I would suggest. In the main, I still think we are country by nature that cares for the well-being of our fellow human beings and will stand up to help when needed, if possible.

It is a peculiarity to me as to why the damage that Ukraine is suffering is not as prevalent on media as is Gaza? Gaza is a place where outside journalists are not prohibited, Ukraine is a place where access should be easily obtained from Ukrainian authorities?

I can only conclude that in editorial board rooms of media outlets that there is decision-making not to show the rubble of Ukraine cities and towns? I can only conclude that their may be political interference (not from Ireland) but from more powerful nations, although I'm at a loss as to why that may be.
 
RTE have a special section for the Middle East. Although it's really just Israel / Palestine. No special section for Africa, US, Asia or even Europe. PBP constanly protesting Israel and seem to get disproportiate representation on RTE.1757979230427.webp
 
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can only conclude that in editorial board rooms of media outlets that there is decision-making not to show the rubble of Ukraine cities and towns? I can only conclude that their may be political interference (not from Ireland) but from more powerful nations, although I'm at a loss as to why that may be.
Was the Soviet war with Afganistan on TV every week ?
 
Sky News report on Sudanese War

Broadcast 3 days ago on Sept 15. It details some of the horrors of this conflict, and not without mention of the neglect of the international community.
The report carries a banner of the media blackout.

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There is another report in NY Times has also published a recent harrowing account, also on Sept 15, but it is behind a firewall.

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A YT video podcast helps to get around that
Video podcast of NY Times Sudanese article

So credit to @Purple for bringing this to attention of AAM posters. Hopefully, hopefully, the media blackout in this part of the world is coming to an end as it is truly a scene of hell on earth.
 
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To be fair Simon Whistler on his various YouTube channels (mainly Warfronts) has covered it in detail several times. As have various north AFrican news media outlets. The problem there is unlike Gaza, El Fasher and Darfur were essentially cut off in full siege scenarios. This time last year nobody was even TRYING to get aid into the area, it was so bad and so dangerous. There's also been a few articles about the UAE's disrupted role in the dispute - the thoughts, that the Emirates are getting in arms via Chad in order to protect their own interests, primarily in the gold trade. But they publicly deny having any role. The figures are stark, even compared to Gaza, for example an estimated half a million children dead due to malnutrition. Huge numbers displaced, and many more trapped in between warring forces.
 
@lff12 that is truly an appalling scenario. And yet the media is so vacant of coverage. This is clearly a deliberate and intentional decision in the editorial boardrooms of media companies.
Who is in charge of these organisations? Are they independent or are they under control and direction from other interests such as government or weapons-manufacturers?

Its simply not plausible that mainstream journalism across Ireland, UK, US etc are so coherently avoiding coverage of this humanitarian catastrophe without some over-arching interferance.
 
The US have no involvment so no coverage there. Maybe if the US was involved it would get coverage here, maybe even a demonstration or a rally.
 
The US are acting as mediators between the warring factions. Probably as soon they pick which side they want to support, and the time to support them, they will arm them and berate the others as 'terrorists'. The media will then fall in line to feed the narrative.

I'm very cynical I know, but I don't think I'm too far off the mark.
 
Its simply not plausible that mainstream journalism across Ireland, UK, US etc are so coherently avoiding coverage of this humanitarian catastrophe without some over-arching interferance.
So the editorial board of the Irish Times and RTE are in cahoots with the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Chad and possibly the US? That doesn't sound plausible.
The US are acting as mediators between the warring factions. Probably as soon they pick which side they want to support, and the time to support them, they will arm them and berate the others as 'terrorists'. The media will then fall in line to feed the narrative.

I'm very cynical I know, but I don't think I'm too far off the mark.
The US has little skin in this game beyond the disruption to shipping through the Red Sea and that's a concern for everyone. Trying to tie that back to the US also doesn't sound plausible.
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The figures are stark, even compared to Gaza, for example an estimated half a million children dead due to malnutrition. Huge numbers displaced, and many more trapped in between warring forces.
Yes, covered in one of my previous posts.
 
So the editorial board of the Irish Times and RTE are in cahoots with the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Chad and possibly the US? That doesn't sound plausible.

No, it doesn't sound plausible.

RTE Radio 1 had a 10 min segment this morning talking to a charity worker from Sudan who was giving account of the desperate situation and is carried on the website.
BBC News is also carrying an interview with survivors of a siege by RSF under its 'Africa' section.
CNN is similar, again under its 'Africa' section reporting on a massacare of hundreds.
ABC Australia is also covering a piece of 'unspeakable atrocities'.

But most of it is low-down the totem pole of headlines, behind the destruction in Caribbean, Andrew Windsor, and DJ Carey.

After 2yrs or more of civil war, why has media ignored or diluted its coverage? And why, as it appears to me, that the media from different parts of the world are reporting on it with almost equal measure?
 
After 2yrs or more of civil war, why has media ignored or diluted its coverage? And why, as it appears to me, that the media from different parts of the world are reporting on it with almost equal measure?
Because they know that the people who listen to the news aren't that interested in it. It really is as simple as that.
But most of it is low-down the totem pole of headlines, behind the destruction in Caribbean, Andrew Windsor, and DJ Carey
If you go to the Irish Times website and look at the "Most Read" section the agony aunt letters and Gaza get most views. DJ Carey will be up top today but Sudan, the Earth Quake in Afghanistan and other far away disasters and wars are of little interest to most Irish people.

The question isn't why don't we care about those things. The question is how come we do care about the Israel Gaza war. That's the outlier.
 
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