Sinn Fein - Eviction Ban to July 2026

G

Greenbook

Registered User
Messages
2,578
Eoin O'Broin introduced a Bill in the Dail today to ban evictions until July 2026. The idea is that with the increase in NoTs recently, this will give the government breathing space to sort out something for those being evicted.

As an opposition Bill it will go nowhere, but it is possibly an indication of what is to come.

Details here
 
Does that ban evictions or NoTs too? Most NoTs have a notice period of months, so they would take up to June anyway.

It does set the tone for the effect of a SF win after the next election.
 
Cameo said:
I'd say sinn feins various proclamations over recent years have actively encouraged a lot of landlords to exit the market
Click to expand...
Exactly, and if the current government's proposals come into force, the odds of SF getting into power will improve decently.
 
I wouldn't be too concerned who is or who is not in power if I was a small lanlord (1 rental property).

Every which way you look the door is closing on 'landlords' who buy-to-let for one generation, intending to sell for their pension.

That is not a criticism of those that took that option, the offer and prospect was very enticing particularly through the 'Celtic Tiger'. But the chickens are coming home to roost. A shortage of properties to house the next generation now inducing emigration of skilled workers and questions raised by foreign companies locating here, means something has to give.

There are too many one-generational, one-property, 'landlords' which in times of housing shortage are an obstacle to resolving the issue.
I think every shade of the political spectrum is copping on.

One generation-landlords do not build homes, they compete with prospective owner-occupiers and push them out of the market increasing prices.
If you are one of those 'landlords' I can empathise with your position. Its nothing personal, it was a great deal when property was a plenty.

Housing is multi-generational, a property that provides a home on a rental market should factor in the lifetime of the property, eg 150 to 300yrs.

The State is in the best position over generations, along with private incorporated investors to deliver a rental market that competes price wise with the option to rent v cost of house ownership.
 
Last edited:
@Greenbook I'm assuming you have a stake in this issue, as a landlord?

If so, I hope you do not take my comments personally?

There is certainly a need for private rental accommodation in the 21st century. There is also a need for public rental accommodation.

My perspective is in the manner in which rental accommodation is provided. There would be no need for the RTB if rental accommodation was by- and-large a good news story? Or at least, there are far too many bad-news stories that can point to the small landlord/tenant relationship.

I'm generalising of course and not meaning to demean good 'small landlords', and good tenants of small landords.

But politically and in the circumstances, the small one-generation landlords days are cooked. And although they will never admit it, it is agreement across the political spectrum.
 
Cameo said:
I'd say sinn feins various proclamations over recent years have actively encouraged a lot of landlords to exit the market
Click to expand...

Ya don't say..................................................................................................................................................................Sorry, couldn't resist it!
 
Sister Sara said:
There are too many one-generational, one-property, 'landlords' which in times of housing shortage are an obstacle to resolving the issue
Click to expand...
Really don't understand your point, plenty of renters don't want or need to rent for all their life but just a few years. When the house is rented, it serves its purpose as housing. When a LL sells, it still serves its purpose as housing.
LL have nothing to do with the shortage of housing. They don't build houses. They just provide a service.
 
Premos said:
Really don't understand your point, plenty of renters don't want or need to rent for all their life but just a few years.
Click to expand...

Thanks Premos, I totally agree with the sense of renters not 'wanting' to rent for all of life, but from my perspective that category are increasingly finding a reality where they do actually 'need' to rent for life.
 
Sister Sara said:
I totally agree with the sense of renters not 'wanting' to rent for all of life, but from my perspective that category are increasingly finding a reality where they do actually 'need' to rent for life.
Click to expand...
The longest tenancy I had was 3.5 years. All my tenants left on their own will. Last ones left after exactly one year. I think the average length of tenancies was about 3 years a couple of years ago. Even if one rents all their life, it doesn't mean that the same property would fit their needs for 50 or 70 years.
 
JoeRoberts said:
And at no cost to the state
Click to expand...

No disrespect, but the Landlord (in vast majority of cases) did not build the property, did seek the planning, did not connect the property to the public mains, electricity grid, did not build the pavements outside the house, provide street lighting and road signage.

This is all at a cost to the developer and the State for the on-going up-keep.

The additional cost to the State having diluted its interest in providing housing over the last 40yrs or so, is to compete with scare resources that involve housing in hotels, HAP schemes, IPAS centres, etc because lets face it how many private landlords take on asylum and/or undocumented immigrants as tenants wilfullly?
 
Premos said:
The longest tenancy I had was 3.5 years. All my tenants left on their own will. Last ones left after exactly one year. I think the average length of tenancies was about 3 years a couple of years ago.
Click to expand...

Thank you. It sounds like from your experience anyway most people do not want to rent for long periods, or rent the same accommodation for long-periods?

Would you have any data on your former tenants as to what they did next?
Did they buy a house of their own? Did they emigrate? Did they rent elsewhere because of circumstance, cost, etc?

Premos said:
Even if one rents all their life, it doesn't mean that the same property would fit their needs for 50 or 70 years.
Click to expand...

I never suggested otherwise.
 
Premos said:
And for some, currently, at a heavily discounted price
Click to expand...
In many cases rent is less than half market rate. On that rent, the majority of small landlords pay a marginal tax rate of 52%, and up to 55% in cases of larger ones.

All the while "Cost Rental" providers (who charge alot more than my comparable rental properties in Cork) can receive all rental income tax free (source) and have no 2% cap on rent increases! They are deemed cost rental as they are 25% below market rate at the initial rent setting, but there is no restriction on future rent settings (subject to rent increases being inline with inflation (but again, no 2% cap)).

Sister Sara said:
private incorporated investors
Click to expand...
Also bear in mind, the likes of IRES REIT pay no corporation tax at all in Ireland.
 
Last edited:
onl
Sister Sara said:
No disrespect, but the Landlord (in vast majority of cases) did not build the property, did seek the planning, did not connect the property to the public mains, electricity grid, did not build the pavements
Click to expand...
Do you think the developer did not charge them for this?
Do the state not maintain the roads outside owner occupiers house?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top