RTB Rent Register

was tempted to jack it in but stuck with the process because maybe they want to create all this work for us so we will not bother with the increase.
That's the goal I would say. They have the rent in the register, one already has to update the register in terms of rent, there is also an annual registration when one confirms the current information. There's absolutely no reason I would think they could possibly need that when LL needs to use the rent calculator on an existing tenancy.
They were able before to spot LL who exceeded the 2 per cent max, I don't see why they can't now.
 
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Have a friend who is ready to go with a first letting but the historical rents in the register are way off. He’s nervous the tenancy will start and six months down the road he’ll be told the rent is too high.
At some point, RTB will start checking. How, they haven't been very clear.
They have not been clear on how to use the register either, just that LLs needs to use it. Not specifically how. If rents increase too much, I would think a specific calculation would be imposed.
 
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I'd say most of the ads currently on Daft for say 1 bed apartments in Rathmines are on at a higher rent than those shown in the RTB rent register. Another issue with the register for city properties is that it only allows a search for houses or apartments and not studios so the normally lower priced studio rents could skew the results for 1 bed apartments in those areas
 
Have a friend who is ready to go with a first letting but the historical rents in the register are way off. He’s nervous the tenancy will start and six months down the road he’ll be told the rent is too high.
I would think that your friend should be careful.

They will be looking for some show trials of gouging landlords to keep everybody else in line.
 
The rent in my property was first set up in 2014 (it's when the first relevant rent was established), frozen in 2015, not increased to full market rent in 2016 as I had a tenant in place, controlled since then, only increased by 2 per cent in 2022 before the law (I could not find if the law had been enacted or not in time), I am still the 7th highest rent on my list. One would think that no property came to the market with full market rent in the past 10 years with 49k inhabitants in the electoral area.
I also went back to the records I used for setting rent. I recorded 4 ads from 2016 with an average of 1237 (mine was lower by about 250). I also have ads recorded from 2017 with an average of 1195 with 13 relevant ads. Currently, the average I am given by the RTB is 1303 with 2 high rents. If I take these 2 high rents out, the average given is 1116 lower than what I recorded in 2016 (before rent controls) and 2017. I really wondered how they chose their properties.
This is good data, you should approach Th Journal or a similar outlet. I've requested info with a FOI, which they have received but I'm not sure if /when I'll get anything back from them.
 
When it says 0 in the bed spaces column on the Rent Review form, does that mean it is actually a studio rather than 1 bed apt? Or does it mean it's an unfurnished apt so no beds at all?
I have 4 of those 0 bed spaces listed on my 10 comparable properties. My vacant property is a double bed 1 bed so 2 bed spaces.
 
I also went back to the records I used for setting rent. I recorded 4 ads from 2016 with an average of 1237 (mine was lower by about 250). I also have ads recorded from 2017 with an average of 1195 with 13 relevant ads. Currently, the average I am given by the RTB is 1303 with 2 high rents. If I take these 2 high rents out, the average given is 1116 lower than what I recorded in 2016 (before rent controls) and 2017. I really wondered how they chose their properties.
I am seeing the same kind of thing.

I know for a fact that apartments in Cork City centre were renting for 2000 plus over the past 18 months or so based on Daft. Yet my comparables (and I've tried a few different variations) show nothing like that - 1500 is a high rent for a 2 bed.

This is Cork City centre there must have been many registrations at the Daft.ie asking prices over the past year or so.
 
I stopped compiling daft ads after 2017 unfortunately as I started a new tenancy and after that, well I had no need with the RPZ. I have started again...
 
I know for a fact that apartments in Cork City centre were renting for 2000 plus over the past 18 months or so based on Daft. Yet my comparables (and I've tried a few different variations) show nothing like that - 1500 is a high rent for a 2 bed
Have you tried apartments? They go for higher in Cork I find.
 
Have a friend who is ready to go with a first letting but the historical rents in the register are way off. He’s nervous the tenancy will start and six months down the road he’ll be told the rent is too high.

Is there a time specified for the RTB to dispute a new rent and/or sanction a landlord? After they receive all the documentation, do they have to confirm the new rent is ok or is a landlord in limbo waiting on the off-chance they’ll dispute it at some stage?
The RTB guidance says that for new tenancies where a market rent can be applied to look for 3 tenancies on the rent register with recent start dates (within 3 months). I would not limit myself to the first 10 they show if you can demonstrate they are not recent.
 
And since actual dates are not included in the information presented, the only way you can try to do that is by some jiggery pokery with the registration number.

Its a crock :(
Exactly. And following the dates that was is fraught with issues. If Jim Gavin still had his tenant in place from 2008 and registered them last year for the first time (like many TDs did with backdating registrations), they get a current tenancy code, even though the tenant could actually have been in place 20 years!

Extreme example, but illustrates the point. The reality is Steen said they caught 6000 tenancies to be registered. So there's quite a few like that.
 
The RTB guidance says that for new tenancies where a market rent can be applied to look for 3 tenancies on the rent register with recent start dates (within 3 months). I would not limit myself to the first 10 they show if you can demonstrate they are not recent.
That is interesting, I had not seen the part about being able to use a recent start date (within 3 months).

By putting in my apartment's correct details (BER B3), the top priced tenancy is one that started in September 2024 for 1873 per month (but has probably been under rent control for longer, as it is the same price as my own.)

If I change the BER to D1 but leave everything else the same, it brings up a property that is obviously a first time rental with a start date of Feb 2026. The price of this is 2200 per month, which I would think is an accurate market rate.
 
People seem to be being mislead here...
The RTB guidance says that for new tenancies where a market rent can be applied to look for 3 tenancies on the rent register with recent start dates (within 3 months). I would not limit myself to the first 10 they show if you can demonstrate they are not recent.
A tenancy having a recent start date does not mean it currently gives you an indication it is in some way a useful "market rent". Most properties on the register with a recent start date currently relate to properties where tenants have moved out and new ones have recently moved in. That starts a "new tenancy", but the rent permitted would be the same (give or take 1% or 2%) as much older tenancies anyway because the "new tenancy" began under the suppressing RPZ rules.

There might, occasionally, in the odd selection of 10 sample tenancies from the register be included a rent relating to a property recently let for the first time. That would currently be suitable to be used as an example of actual market rent. But those will be very uncommon unless you are trying to rent out a unit in a recently finished BTR development.

In a year's time, a tenancy at that point on the register having a recent start date will mean the landlord will have had the opportunity to "re-set to market". But you don't exactly need to be a professor of economics to work out that with landlords having been more or less forced to set rents for recent tenancies in line with historical, and often deeply discounted, RPZ controlled rents in circular fashion, those rent prices are not going to be "market rents" in any meaningful sense either.

Ironically, also thinking forward to a year's time, even a property having recently been let for the first time will no longer reveal a proper market rent - because the RTB are insisting that even property never rented out before must use the same process as a property being "re-set to market", ie effectively matching historical, suppressed rents. A supplier of rental property to the market won't be able to advertise the property, get hundreds of responses eager to take it, and agree to rent it to the selected tenant. The RTB will say it is "above market rent" because it is higher than all the 10 historical, RPZ influenced, examples.

As for supplying additional evidence - well you can't compare your smart, modern interior to the examples on the register (which could be absolute dives) because you don't know anything about them other than things like how many bedrooms they have, and a rental valuation from a lettings agent is (if accurate) likely to be far higher than the ten examples from the register - and they might prosecute you.

Not exactly a confidence inspiring atmosphere likely to draw in badly needed new supply the Minister claims to want.
 
Not exactly a confidence inspiring atmosphere likely to draw in badly needed new supply the Minister claims to want.
I think all they've done is replaced the RPZs with a more complicated system which achieves the same result.
 
Just checked 2 bedroom apartment in my local area, just stayed within my town (11k inhabitants). Input different sizes (60 to 80 square metres, around here traditionally apartments were large and nothing came under that size), in all only 17 different properties came up for the town. I started by putting different Ber ratings but I noticed that no A and B ratings came so I limited to B2. There are apartments. We are talking at least 200 old ones. There are also lots of new builds. I am in Fingal (an area with lots of buildings at the moment). So how come only 17 properties came up despite changing criteria? Could the compliance be that low or is the register not using the full data set?
 
Could the compliance be that low or is the register not using the full data set?
I think it's pretty clear it's a partial set. There area no units at all on the register with a floor area less than 30sq meters either for example.

Let me know if you find one, but I've tried several times and I cannot.
 
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