Northern Rock bailed out by Bank of England

what worries me is with all the withdrawn money yesterday in the UK, is there going to be any left for the internet customers who have tranactions pending! I am completing a property purchase in two weeks time and need the money to do so.
 
agreed, at least the UK customers have the option of going to a branch, they seem to have left the Irish customers high and dry, not even a telephone number. the 1850 no brings you through to the Uk and they just refer you back to the Dublin office.

The lack of information is a disgrace. I've been trying all morning. You would have thought they would open their office this weekend under the circumstances. Whether the UK gov. has backed them or not, I won't touch them again. I'll be closing my account there for good once I get onto their incompetent website. Even at the best of times it had dire performance problems. It's just not good enough.
 
what worries me is with all the withdrawn money yesterday in the UK, is there going to be any left for the internet customers who have tranactions pending! I am completing a property purchase in two weeks time and need the money to do so.

Here's an article from the Telegraph saying £1 billion sterling was withdrawn yesterday and they're claiming that wasn't as bad as they feared. The difficultly of getting online would certainly be helping them.
 
The British Bankers' Association said: "Northern Rock is a sound and safe bank and there is absolutely no reason for either mortgage customers or savers to worry.

Shares in the group fell by 32% after it emerged it had approached the Bank of England for help.

The Newcastle-based bank warned it could have £150m shaved off its profits due to the money market turmoil.
 
This article from BBC says that about 4% - 5% of retail deposits was withdrawn yesterday - 1 billion in total.

So if we try to extrapolate that to Ireland by assuming 2% of deposits withdrawn due to the absence of a branch network perhaps

€50 million =~ €2.4 billion x 2%

was withdrawn by Irish depositors yesterday.

So there should be plenty left in the kitty.
 
I've finally got in and I am withdrawing everything.

One question ... on Pending Transactions it says the following:

Date Type Currency Amount
Sep 15, 2007 Electronic Transfer EURO 0.00

I guess the zero sum is just until they work out the final interest or am I mistaken?

I didn't specify the same day as I don't think it is necessary and after all the bother I don't want to pay them an extra 25 euros.
 
i dont have any money with NR but i do with rabodirect, if i had, id get it out asap,

anyone know if rabo direct give loans in other countries, i might withdraw it anyway, the whole banking sector is in trouble....
 
Incidentally, that phone number 1850 315115 seems to answer now. I got put on hold a few minutes ago, but as I have somewhere else to be I hung up after about 2 minutes or so.

For info, BBC Radio 4's Money Box program at 12h04 today is going to be talking about Northern Rock. It is usually an interesting program with discussions with relevant people in the financial industry so might be worth a listen.

Yes - it would be a good idea if people got the full account of events with Northern Rock and stopped behaving like lemmings running over the cliff into the sea.

Adam Appelgarth, the CEO of Northern Rock personally informed the public through the media on Thursday that the loan-application to the Bank of England was a contingency to patch them through an unusual and unprecedented phase of illiquidity in the world financial markets. Northern Rock's dilemma has no more to do with N.R. than it has to do with any other mortgage-lender. By definition the business of mortgage-lenders is to borrow large amounts from international commercial funders which it then in turn 'lends on' (to small borrowers who want funds for property) at a higher rate of interest. The difference is their profit. If their source-funds dry up (and that's what's happened here!) they can't get new customers.

The straight-forward manner in which the problem was approached by N.R. should have been reassuring to N.R.'s customers. It is its customers' reactions which are tipping the balance. Has it occurred to posters here who are bunging their money into 'an account elsewhere' that every mortgage lender is in exactly the same position as N.R. at the moment.

The "bailed out by Bank of England" description is invidious. The more people who can listen to "Moneybox" and disseminate the facts the better as it sounds as if there are some unnecessary heart-attacks and strokes brewing out there!
 
So if we try to extrapolate that to Ireland by assuming 2% of deposits withdrawn due to the absence of a branch network perhaps

€50 million =~ €2.4 billion x 2%

was withdrawn by Irish depositors yesterday.

So there should be plenty left in the kitty.


But the question is: was there any money withdrawn by Irish depositors yesterday, I know there was on paper but did anyone acutally receive their money?
 
Casatara said:
But the question is: was there any money withdrawn by Irish depositors yesterday, I know there was on paper but did anyone acutally receive their money?


I presume that people who withdrew large sums in England received a cheque . So they would more or less be in the same position as those in Ireland with payments pending.

Marion
 
Don't bother ringing the Financial Regulator Helpline number. They said the FSA in the UK look after NR and to check out their website [broken link removed]
The FSA didn't have a statement about the Barclay request for BofE support. Barclays got away quietly.
 
Managed to get through now for some strange reason. (Maybe things are calming down a bit?). Paid 25 euro for same day transfer, got a reference number for my electronic transfer, but was too late (after 11 a.m.) to get same day transfer. Will I still be charged the 25 euro (not that it matters a bit once I actually get the money)?! Has anybody actually received their money yet?
 
Yes - it would be a good idea if people got the full account of events with Northern Rock and stopped behaving like lemmings running over the cliff into the sea.

well Marie, 100k may be chicken feed to you but I would gladly behave like a lemming and I make no apology for that, if I thought that I could get my hands on my money!!!
 
Moneybox is on NOW (Saturday 12.04 BBC Radio 4, radio or internet)

Thanks for the heads up. All the authority figures seem to be saying things are ok. Although the NR branch network seems to be open on Saturday and people are continuing to queue up.
 
Don't bother ringing the Financial Regulator Helpline number. They said the FSA in the UK look after NR and to check out their website [broken link removed]
The FSA didn't have a statement about the Barclay request for BofE support. Barclays got away quietly.

Yup!........and it probably isn't the only one. N.R. has been clobbered for its transparency.
 
Radio4 Moneybox. They've got a NR executive director on and he refused to confirm the £1 billion sterling withdrawals figure.
 
Askew70, I follow what you're saying now. If I can paraphrase.

"Asking for the same characters every time before a successful login sequence has been fully completed exposes the password stage of the login sequence to an over the shoulder attack."

This weakness is highlighted under the present circumstances where users aren't managing to log all the way in.

That is exactly it. One thing that I am not sure of is whether the characters asked for were any more random before this situation arose. I certainly recall being asked for the same characters in a row on more than one occasion, but I have no recollection of whether that was a regular occurence.

Asking for random characters each and every time would prevent this and make it not significantly more vulnerable to ease dropping (inc electronic) than it already is. A small risk is also created however. With repeated failure to complete login sequences, where correct password details are being entered, over a short period (e.g. a day) of time an ease dropper could more quickly build up a record of all the password's characters. Under normal circumstances the user would not be logging in so much so an ease dropper mightn't have time to record all the digits. The risk of this is very low because the communication is encrypted.

The link being encrypted makes a big difference certainly, but that only protects against people monitoring/sniffing your traffic somewhere on the network(s) between your PC and the server. The risk of someone looking over your shoulder, or of malicious software installed on your computer recording what you type at the keyboard, remains. You can take some simple steps to protect against those, but that risk is always there when authentication relies on information which does not change from one login session to the next (i.e. passwords). There are hardware tokens that generate psuedo-random codes that you can use to authenticate, which are a good, typically expensive but still not perfect, approach to getting round this problem - what Rabodirect use is one example of this.

Asking for random portions of a password is a reasonable, and relatively simple, approach to defeating people looking over your shoulder (or recording what you type at the keyboard) too, by the way. For a criminal to circumvent this security, they'd need to know not only what you typed at the prompt, but also what characters the prompt asked you for (whether the 5th character, etc.) - otherwise even if they eventually record all characters in your password, they won't know the correct position for each of those characters, so they still have to guess which one is, say, the 5th character when prompted for it. This makes it more difficult for malicious software recording what you type at the keyboard, in particular. Of course, it is only of use when you really are prompted for different characters each time i.e. it is all dependent upon that random element in what you are prompted to enter.
 
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