I’m sure the union apologists have skin in the game.
I’m sure the union apologists have skin in the game.I’m sure the ‘30s dictators had their justifications for persecuting trade unionists.
How do you think the intrletnational community and particularly the EU would react to Ireland exiling trade union leaders? Would they be trade union apologists?I’m sure the union apologists have skin in the game
I’ll take that as rhetorical.How do you think the intrletnational community and particularly the EU would react to Ireland exiling trade union leaders? Would they be trade union apologists?
Whereas countries that exile trade unionists are generally great places to live?I’ll take that as rhetorical.
The EU is the epitome of a union-infested entity: inefficient, corrupt, bureaucratic and bankrupt.
Are they? I wouldn’t know as that’d be utopian.Whereas countries that exile trade unionists are generally great places to live?
You could always move somewhere like Saudi Arabia if you’re not fond of liberty.Are they? I wouldn’t know as that’d be utopian.
And only exile the public sector unions as there is an argument for some union input in the private sector
Militant left unions synonymous with liberty .You could always move somewhere like Saudi Arabia if you’re not fond of liberty
That is a straw man - not a reasonable inference from my post.Militant left unions synonymous with liberty .
An unequivocal inference-you were equating the union stranglehold with liberty.That is a straw man - not a reasonable inference from my post.
Persecuting trade unionists is however a modus operandi of tyrannies. As is enforced exile.
When the guards threatened illegal strike action to gain additional payments for a job that is already very well compensated?Is it possible that your information is 20-30 years out of date? I'm struggling to recall any specific examples in recent memory that match to your descriptions there. Can you give any specific incidents that have happened in recent years?
I'm not sure if you're aware of how the public service turned on a sixpence about 18 months ago, with resources being moved to new and different roles and locations, and supporting a move to a complete work-from-home environment over a few weeks - no pay increases for upskilling, no resistance about work locations, just doing what it takes to keep the ship running.
And yes, trade unions exist for the benefit of their members, just like professional associations like the Law Society, the Bar, RIAI, various accountants bodies and more.
I'm sure many an aspiring fascist leader would be drooling at the mouth at your dissolving/seizure proposals below. Any civilised society would wonder what exactly the employer would be afraid by having effective representation for workers.
The ultimate inanity in this thread is to suggest that there is the remotest chance that Unions and in particular Unions representing Public Sector workers be “ exiled “ .An unequivocal inference-you were equating the union stranglehold with liberty.
Anyway, enough inanity for one day
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The ultimate inanity in this thread is to suggest that there is the remotest chance that Unions and in particular Unions representing Public Sector workers be “ exiled “ .
It ain’t going to happen , indeed with the current polls reflecting an even greater swing to left leaning parties ( even more left leaning than FF and FG ) we may see the introduction of more Union friendly legislation.
Significantly overcompensated for a job with minimal entry requirements and a 30 year superannuation scheme, to which they contribute a small proportion of the cost.When the guards threatened illegal strike action to gain additional payments for a job that is already very well compensated?
Indeed-we're going to hell in a handcart.
"Union-friendly legislation"... can't imagine what that means-they're already holding the public writ large to ransom
At least we can agree on the fact that the thought of Unions being " exiled " is fanciful in the extreme .Indeed-we're going to hell in a handcart.
"Union-friendly legislation"... can't imagine what that means-they're already holding the public writ large to ransom
The only reason that the question can't be answered is that there's no reality behind - no facts or evidence behind your MRI claim. If unions blocked MRIs, then please give details of this. If you don't have anything beyond vague anecdote, it's not really very convincing.Do you enjoy asking spurious questions which you know can’t be answered?
Good grief
Ah nice chicanery there
Empirical day to day living is the evidence.
Anyway, I’m not interested in arguing the reality of the public sector; your stance is an embedded public sector one, I would wager that of a union rep.
Why could PS only mean public sector in a thread that frequently refers to both public and private sector and makes comparisons between both?Considering the title of this thread and the nature of the discussion, it only could mean public sector, which you know full well.
Statutory entitlements-holiday pay, contracts of employment, maternity/paternity leave; obviously.
What’s important is they’re here today and the public service needs to shift their focus from navel gazing to providing a service fit for purpose
No-one books sick leave. But have you reported these fraudulent employees at all?The unions represent their members so it’s not just them that have blood on their hands but the individuals who make up the membership.
Not to mention the rampant abuse of the aggregated sick pay system-I know several HSE employees who book their maximum sick leave entitlement at the beginning of each year.
It takes a certain type of person who would do this, knowing it is going to have an adverse affect on the lives of the inherently vulnerable.
If unions were holding the public to ransom, how current new public servants have a dramatically reduced pension scheme to pre-2013 entrants?Indeed-we're going to hell in a handcart.
"Union-friendly legislation"... can't imagine what that means-they're already holding the public writ large to ransom
Funny how it wasn't so attractive that you went rushing in to avail of all these amazing benefits yourself though.Significantly overcompensated for a job with minimal entry requirements and a 30 year superannuation scheme, to which they contribute a small proportion of the cost.
This is a discussion forum, not a court of law. I’m certainly not going to name people here without their consent so I can’t give specific examples.There's inefficiencies in all organisations, public and private, large and small, unionised and not.
If you're going to make allegations about people having blood on their hands, it would be half-decent to have some specifics to back those up.
However there is no process to blow away the chaff in the public sector.(ii) Government departments are not going to close and I've never met somebody who wants them to. Just imagine our republic without Revenue Commissioners and Dept of Social Protection. Those employed in all government organisations have a duty to the public and most deliver on it. There are chaff and wheat in every organisation (even in yours).
Of course there is. You just promote them! Problem solved.However there is no process to blow away the chaff in the public sector.
Again, your information seems to be about 20-30 years out of date. Though I'm not quite sure why 'blowing away the chaff' is a proud boast for an employer. It seems to suggest that you need to improve your recruitment and management processes if you find yourself 'blowing away the chaff' all the time.However there is no process to blow away the chaff in the public sector.