Harry and Meghan

There kids are the ones who will be really angry about this when they get older, poor young Archie with an American accent will be outside buck house like all the other tourists
I'd say they'll be happy that they were out of the gilded cage, growing up as very rich children of a celebrity couple in California. Sure what could go wrong?
 
I don't think they were ever going to just fade into the background, even if that was what they wanted.

I wish them well.
I have enormous sympathy for Harry after the death of his mother and I'm sure he's a fine young man.
But I can't help thinking he's also gullible and easily manipulated by his wife who, if her estranged family are anything to go by, carries more baggage than a Heathrow car park shuttle bus.
Their Oprah interview was a huge mistake.
The Royal Family has many faults and I am not a supporter of it in any way but I don't believe it is either racist or uncaring. It will be a long and difficult journey back into the affections of the British people should Harry ever decide to make it.
 
But I can't help thinking he's also gullible and easily manipulated by his wife who, if her estranged family are anything to go by, carries more baggage than a Heathrow car park shuttle bus.
That's the narrative that I'm uncomfortable with. She's being portrayed like a stepmother in a Grimm Brothers story. "The poor lad what lost his mommy is being manipulated by the scheming harlot." It all sounds terribly misogynistic. If they can keep a paedophile in their ranks they should be able to keep a mixed race American half-catholic happy.
As for racism, don't they have a few national socialists in their ranks? I'd usually put Nazis in the category of racists.
 
That's the narrative that I'm uncomfortable with. She's being portrayed like a stepmother in a Grimm Brothers story. "The poor lad what lost his mommy is being manipulated by the scheming harlot." It all sounds terribly misogynistic. If they can keep a paedophile in their ranks they should be able to keep a mixed race American half-catholic happy.
As for racism, don't they have a few national socialists in their ranks? I'd usually put Nazis in the category of racists.

So German heritage makes them Nazis ?
Is this the " tolerance and moderation " you were preaching about in the other thread on here this morning.
How quickly the mask slips ...
 
So German heritage makes them Nazis ?
Is this the " tolerance and moderation " you were preaching about in the other thread on here this morning.
How quickly the mask slips ...
If you want to have a discussion then you'll have to stop the childish conflation of different issues and logical fallacies in order to generate a soundbite.

The parents of some of the current Royals had strong links to National Socialism in the 1930's. No masks, no slips, nothing to do with tolerance and moderation.
 
If you want to have a discussion then you'll have to stop the childish conflation of different issues and logical fallacies in order to generate a soundbite.

The parents of some of the current Royals had strong links to National Socialism in the 1930's. No masks, no slips, nothing to do with tolerance and moderation.

I'm happy to have a discussion but if you're going to adopt the high moral high ground at least be consistent.
Who exactly are these royals who had strong links to National Socialism in the 1930s and how does it make them Nazis ?
 
I'm happy to have a discussion but if you're going to adopt the high moral high ground at least be consistent.
Who exactly are these royals who had strong links to National Socialism in the 1930s and how does it make them Nazis ?
Here's some info though I've always had sympathy for Carl Eduard who was cruelly taken away from his family as a young child by Queen Victoria and given no choice but to adopt his new country.
Just to clarify, National Socialists are Nazi's.
 
The short answer is no.
As with a number of other claims coming out of the interview Ginger and Sparkle were being 'economical' with the truth.
Only the children of the heir to the throne are afforded 24-hour security.
In the case of Princess Anne her children are Joe Soaps.
Peter Phillips works for a sports management company and Zara Phillips is a housewife.
Prince Edward has two children - I had to look up their names ( Louise and James ) because they've been brought up out of the public eye.
However all the Royal Family receive protection when they are out on official duties.

Ah yes Zara Philips, the Joe soaps housewife. Apart from the olympic silver medal, world champion, winner of the BBC sports personality of the year and director of Cheltenham race course....
 
Ah yes Zara Philips, the Joe soaps housewife. Apart from the olympic silver medal, world champion, winner of the BBC sports personality of the year and director of Cheltenham race course....

There's a strong whiff of inferiority complex coming off this post.
As though winning an Olympic medal is somehow a privilege.
 
Here's some info though I've always had sympathy for Carl Eduard who was cruelly taken away from his family as a young child by Queen Victoria and given no choice but to adopt his new country.
Just to clarify, National Socialists are Nazi's.


Every child in Germany has a grandparent connected to the National Socialists but that doesn't make them Nazis.
You can do better than this scattergun desperation.
Although nearly 11,000 posts suggests quantity rather than quality is more important to you.
 
Every child in Germany has a grandparent connected to the National Socialists but that doesn't make them Nazis.
Who said it did? I point out that Nazi is a shorthand term for supporters of the National Socialism.
 
Ha ha. Brilliant. At least I can recognise a womans achievements.....
Indeed, just like the woman who was born into a poor and broken family but became a successful actress with aa net worth of around $5 million, married the guy who was just born into privilege, helped him with his mental health issues and gave him the courage to leave the family business?
 
But failed to monetize his families trademark, but the focus should be more on harry less on meghan markle, she probably would have married into Hollywood royalty anyway if she hadn't got the real thing.
 
But failed to monetize his families trademark, but the focus should be more on harry less on meghan markle, she probably would have married into Hollywood royalty anyway if she hadn't got the real thing.
Maybe they love each other. It's been known to happen. His father didn't love his mother but he probably loved her more than her husband did.
 
Indeed, just like the woman who was born into a poor and broken family but became a successful actress with aa net worth of around $5 million, married the guy who was just born into privilege, helped him with his mental health issues and gave him the courage to leave the family business?

I don't particularly like any of them but I respect anyone that makes a success of whatever opportunities they are given. I even respect most of the Royal family. Most of them seem decent enough people. Andrew aside!

To be honest, I thought the interview was just sad to see from a family point of view. I thought it was cowardly to make accusations of racist behaviour but not name names and drag the whole family into it. I thought the mental health angle has now being weaponised by celebrities. The idea that you go from genuine suicidal thoughts to getting better without professional help is insulting to people who are genuinely mentally ill. The idea that someone told her she can't go anywhere to get help and Harry as her husband just accepted that is utter rubbish. If your wife admits to wanting to kill herself, you get help. I don't care who you are or who tries to stop you.

Anyway hopefully they will find the peace they say they want...
 
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