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It looks like the grand conspiracy by the government to oppress the Case 2 businesses is coming to an end. It will be a great relief to those hard pressed doctors, dentists, solicitors and accountant and everyone and anyone interested in social justice and, indeed, natural justice. Call off the protest marches, put away the placards, cancel the plans to handcuff yourselves to the railings of the Dáil.
 

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It looks like the grand conspiracy by the government to oppress the Case 2 businesses is coming to an end. It will be a great relief to those hard pressed doctors, dentists, solicitors and accountant and everyone and anyone interested in social justice and, indeed, natural justice. Call off the protest marches, put away the placards, cancel the plans to handcuff yourselves to the railings of the Dáil.
Incidentally, the last time the Accountancy bodies went on a protest march, it was to frustrate government plans to force them to comply with mandatory reporting of tax dodgers. Circa 1994. No, me neither.
 

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Any idea if church and community group halls etc will be included ? Ah sure I suppose all will be revealed next Tuesday, I suppose.
 

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They should give the churches a tax break instead... oh, wait...
Yeah, can't the old people and people with disabilities give up their Tuesday afternoon social clubs and instead sit in misery at home waiting for the undertakers like they did during the good ol' days of the lockdowns?
 

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Yeah, can't the old people and people with disabilities give up their Tuesday afternoon social clubs and instead sit in misery at home waiting for the undertakers like they did during the good ol' days of the lockdowns?
Or maybe the Church can spend some of it's own money heating them, like a charity or non-profit is meant to do. The Carmelites could lend them a few Bob after the €20 million or so they got for the land at Terenure College (instead of turning their HQ into a 5 Star Nursing Home for themselves). The Passionists must have made €10 million selling off Mount Argus in the last decade or so. What did they do with that money? Not much social and affordable housing being built at either location.
 

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In fairness it says a lot more about the wheeling and dealing dinosaurs that ran the shop back then than it does about the succeeding generations.
Oh, I'm sure they're all good sorts now... sure aren't they professional! ;)
 

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Or maybe the Church can spend some of it's own money heating them, like a charity or non-profit is meant to do. The Carmelites could lend them a few Bob after the €20 million or so they got for the land at Terenure College (instead of turning their HQ into a 5 Star Nursing Home for themselves). The Passionists must have made €10 million selling off Mount Argus in the last decade or so. What did they do with that money? Not much social and affordable housing being built at either location.
They won't do that though, and we all know it, no more than GAA or rugby or soccer clubs or indeed the HSE or other state bodies will in respect of discretionary events once the cost of running such events becomes prohibitive.
 

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They won't do that though, and we all know it, no more than GAA or rugby or soccer clubs or indeed the HSE or other state bodies will in respect of discretionary events once the cost of running such events becomes prohibitive.
This is way off topic but the RC Church has more than enough money to heat parish halls etc. and keep the old people and people with disabilities from having to give up their Tuesday afternoon social clubs.
When I was young and was involved in a Church Youth Group we had to pay the Parish rent for the use of the Parish Hall every week. A bunch of kids (17-20 year olds) who worked part time jobs had to pay the Parish to use the Parish Hall. The Church Choir has to pay them to use the Hall to practice in. More fools us.
 

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It looks like the grand conspiracy by the government to oppress the Case 2 businesses is coming to an end. It will be a great relief to those hard pressed doctors, dentists, solicitors and accountant and everyone and anyone interested in social justice and, indeed, natural justice. Call off the protest marches, put away the placards, cancel the plans to handcuff yourselves to the railings of the Dáil.
All it took to change their view was a bit of political pressure. Shows whats really in their mind though. In fairness the Irish dont hate professionals like some societies do. They really hate professionals in the UK for example and try to cut them down.
 

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All it took to change their view was a bit of political pressure. Shows whats really in their mind though. In fairness the Irish dont hate professionals like some societies do. They really hate professionals in the UK for example and try to cut them down.
It's terrible the way vulnerable and marginalised groups get targeted like that...
 

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It's terrible the way vulnerable and marginalised groups get targeted like that...
Im not sure if thats sarcastic but the general wages in the UK are very low, like much lower than Ireland. I saw a job advertised a few years ago in a recruitment agency window for a engineer and the level of experience including degree level and work of 6+ years and responsibility was unreal including detailed knowledge of just in time production and many different production processes. The pay was something like 28000 stg per year...
So you can imagine what its like for the common man or woman.
Houses are also packed very close like sardines( Anyone who takes a train in the UK can testify to that) The only way to escape is either to be a practice type professional or a entrepreneur(or emigrate etc which many do to Spain historically). They need the latter as they create jobs but hate the former as they are seen as bloodsuckers.
 

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Im not sure if thats sarcastic but the general wages in the UK are very low, like much lower than Ireland. I saw a job advertised a few years ago in a recruitment agency window for a engineer and the level of experience including degree level and work of 6+ years and responsibility was unreal including detailed knowledge of just in time production and many different production processes. The pay was something like 28000 stg per year...
So you can imagine what its like for the common man or woman.

Skilled Machinists in Britain earn £30-£40k a year. They earn twice that here. With the exception of the area around London wages are significantly lower in Britain. So are most costs. That's what happens when a country is effectively a colony of London. Much of the country is a shambles and the part that isn't is very expensive.

Houses are also packed very close like sardines( Anyone who takes a train in the UK can testify to that) The only way to escape is either to be a practice type professional or a entrepreneur(or emigrate etc which many do to Spain historically). They need the latter as they create jobs but hate the former as they are seen as bloodsuckers.

People who add little value are often seen as bloodsuckers. Solicitors are effectively middlemen in many transactions, General Practitioners add no value when you need an appointment to see a Hospital Consultant, Management Consultants add no value for, well, everything they do.
Since Professions started in England and were a manifestation of privilege, inequality and restrictive practice it is not surprising that there is a resentment to them. They started out as a group of men (and it was just men) from a particular upper-class background making sure that only people they approved of (white Protestant upper-class men) could get into the club. There was an assumption that those people, the right sort of people, were more honest and trustworthy than the lower classes.
They were founded on assumptions of elitism and bigotry. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a resentment against them from what you called ordinary people (are Professionals extraordinary people?).
 

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People who add little value are often seen as bloodsuckers. Solicitors are effectively middlemen in many transactions, General Practitioners add no value when you need an appointment to see a Hospital Consultant, Management Consultants add no value for, well, everything they do.
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They were founded on assumptions of elitism and bigotry. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a resentment against them from what you called ordinary people (are Professionals extraordinary people?).
There isnt alot of resentment in say Ireland or the US (well ok against lawyers) against professionals. As I said the wages are low in the UK and basically theres no way out unless your either a professional or a businessman/woman.
That isnt the case in say the US where a mechanic who works on European cars can make 2000 a day. Other examples are people who wash windows /roofs . So theres no need to be a professional. There kind of is in the UK thats the differentiating factor.
 

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What about hard working farmers in the agricultural sector? Do they get a break here. Some have commercial meters , so won't get the €600 residential credit
 

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Haven't seen anything on the Revenue link but I notice on social media lots of accountants are advertising that they can now make TBESS claims on behalf of businesses. Hardly worth it for a small business to pay an accountant to reclaim say €40 on a bill for €220. Is there anyway a business can try and reclaim themselves for the small amount that it is so that they can at least get the benefit ?
 
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