Moneymakeover Early 40s, mortgage paid, what to do with savings.

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Personal details:

Your age: 43
Spouse's age: 41
Number and age of children: 7,9,12

Income and expenditure:
Annual gross income from employment or profession: 52k(Private sector employee)
Annual gross income of spouse/partner: 75k(Public sector employee)
Monthly take-home pay: 3132
Monthly take-home pay of spouse : 3291

Expenditure Pattern: Savers, we would generally save in and around 10k per year. We don’t make a conscious effort to save per se but wouldn't spend money foolishly.

Other borrowings:
None

Savings and investments:
90k savings.

Do you have a pension scheme?
Myself – Private defined contribution, I pay 6% of salary per month and company matches this(Current value - 152k)
Spouse – Public service defined benefit pension, spouse has also been paying AVCs for approx. 5 years with a view/option to retire at 55.

Do you own any investment or other property?
Family home value: 450k
Mortgage on family home: no mortgage, own the property outright, paid off our mortgage 8 months ago.

Other information which might be relevant
We both have life cover and death in service benefits, my wife also has salary protection.

What specific question do you have or what issues are of concern to you?
We have both been in full-time employement for 20+ years, paying into pensions all of those years and have reached a point where we have paid off our mortgage. We also have 90k in savings as mentioned above(this was in an AIB fixed term savings account over the past year or so). So recently we have had to think about how we can make this money work for us going forward(beat inflation etc). If we put 20k aside for a ‘rainy day’ we have 70k to work with. Our next big financial outlay is likely college, part of me would like to think we would be able to afford that without calling on the 70k when the time comes. So, looking for advice on where/how to invest this(8-10 years), some options/thoughts on reading these forums(kudos to all the excellent contributors btw):



1) AVCs, so this jumps out from reading the forums, i need to make AVCs, my thought is to increase to 15% of my salary for now at least, this allows me so maximise the tax saving at the 40% rate.....i think!?!). If after a few months this feels manageable i might up it to 25% but conscious of the fact that we need to live a little too and it feels like a long way to retirement :)

Next Steps in terms of the 70k, this is where we are unsure, we are generally risk averse(throw in the current uncertainty with a possible AI bubble, ongoing Geo-political fallout etc) but need to take the plunge I guess:

2) Direct shares: seems to be the most tax efficient way(no deemed disposal, avail of yearly CGT). Downside: feels riskier as it is ‘self-managed’, would need to upskill in this area.

3) ETFs: Relatively safe in the long term as it is tracking an index but the headache of deemed disposal/high exit tax etc is off putting in Ireland.

4) Managed Funds: Have looked into Zurich Prisma funds for example, conscious of the the management fee's here of course.

5) National solitary bond, guaranteed return. Downside - most of the return is near the end of the term and the return is average at best.

6) Property: We had toyed with the idea of saving towards a second property (there are a lot of Air BnBs locally with a healthy tourist season and good returns), but house prices are extortionate and i know a few have mentioned new regulations around Air BnBs and the general trend of getting more difficult for landlords so this is probably a non-starter/bad idea.

7) Any other options? Or anything obvious I am neglecting. I know there is a new state savings plan coming down the tracks as recently announced, but probably a bad idea to sit tight until that is rolled out(very little info around what/when etc).

Grateful for any suggestions(so much to consider!) and thanks for reading :)
 
Your pension fund is pretty low for your age.

I think you should max out your pension contributions - 25% of your salary - and use the €70k for day-to-day expenses (to the extent necessary).

It makes no sense to invest outside a tax-advantaged pension while you have room to increase your tax-relieved pension contributions.
 
1) AVCs, so this jumps out from reading the forums, i need to make AVCs, my thought is to increase to 15% of my salary for now at least, this allows me so maximise the tax saving at the 40% rate.....i think!?!). If after a few months this feels manageable i might up it to 25% but conscious of the fact that we need to live a little too and it feels like a long way to retirement :)
You should be contributing the full 25% and you need to be jointly assessed for income tax. You can then move credits and cut offs around so that you get the full 40% relief on your contribution.

Spouse – Public service defined benefit pension, spouse has also been paying AVCs for approx. 5 years with a view/option to retire at 55
I'm not very familiar with PS pension (there are plenty on AAM who are) but does your spouse have an estimate of what that pension would look like at 55? Would it be significantly less than expected?

If you don't increase your pension contributions then I don't think you would have the ability to retire early and maintain your lifestyle. Depends on what you want to do but you might not like the idea of working all the way to 66/67 if your spouse has been retired for 10 years at that point
 
Would your children be able to commute and live at home if they decide to go to college? If so, it would be manageable. If not, costs for three would be probably around 150+. So plans would be different.
I would also maximise your pension. You can put an additional 10k a year (less tax so about 6k net). That should not be an issue as you are currently saving 10k a year.
You would still be able to save 4k and you have a 70 k buffer.
 
Thanks, I should be able to go to the max of 25%. Beyond that, i still think we can manage the day to day expenses, holidays etc etc, so would need some kind of investment vehicle for the 70k we have on deposit.
 
At 55, as things stand, she would have a lump sum of 84k and then 27k per annum. I don't want to work until state retirement age, i'd hope to semi-retire at 60, that would of course be dependent on AVC contributions between now and then.

@Premos , Yes - my hope is that they will commute to college.
 
At 55, as things stand, she would have a lump sum of 84k and then 27k per annum. I don't want to work until state retirement age, i'd hope to semi-retire at 60, that would of course be dependent on AVC contributions between now and then.

Is her NRA 65 or 60? Just worth double checking for CNER @ 55
 
@Premos , Yes - my hope is that they will commute to college
Depending on the level of assessable household income when they start college they may qualify for some level of SUSI grant.
 
Her NRA is 65, and yeah as a public servant she has the CNER option
Polite reminder on how to quote posts properly since you seem to be having problems with this.

 
Just wanted to post an update. So over the past 3 months I have maxed out my AVC contributions at 25%. I have also made a retrospective 10k AVC for 2025, and we submitted a tax return today for 2025 to avail of the tax benefit associated with that AVC lump sum.

We have set aside 20k for a 'rainy day' and have an additional 70 on deposit. I don't fully have a plan on how to put that to work, but I am thinking of putting 30k into an ETF as a starting point, I am thinking either VUAA or VWCE, possibly VWCE as it is more diversified. The AI bubble/surge in Equities performance makes me a little nervous in terms of timing but we need to bite the bullet I guess.

Looking on peoples thoughts around:

1) Investing in VUAA/VWCE ETF in general(I'm familiar with the tax implications, deemed disposal etc). Have looked at BRK.B also but growth is not as aggressive as the aforementioned ETFs.
2) I have registered a DEGIRO account, any advice/pitfalls in terms of the actual buying process? I haven't purchased on DEGIRO before
3) What to do with the balance(40k), obviously we can put that in longer term deposit in some of the european banks to avail of the better deposits rates, but maybe that us too safe?
 
Maybe hold off for the new government saving scheme (should be coming in 2027) and see if that is a better place to put excess money.
 
After maxing out both your avc contributions a couple of minor suggestions you might want to consider that are variations on your list

2) in terms of direct shares you might want to consider something like Berkshire Hathaway which provides a fair amount of diversification.

5) rather than state savings you might want to consider zero coupon government bonds as they are taxed at cgt rates and provide access to the cgt allowances. You could do this with short term bonds while waiting to see if the new saving scheme helps
 
Re DeGiro, I've been in it for a couple of years and have found it grand so far. Haven't has to deal with CGT so far as no disposals up to this year. As others have pointed out you can go for individual direct shares or funds like Berkshire Hathway or F&C investment trust. Key bit of advice I got was to try to get in low or when share price is falling or (if one can judge) near bottom (Berkshire is well down at the min whereas Vanguard S&P 500 has been steadily rising). Of course the other advice is one should never try to time the market. I've been lucky with Intel getting in low, my others have been pretty steady reliables with average return. I've diversified slightly into European stocks also in last year (The TACO factor!). Dip your toe in gentle with say €5-10k, see how it goes and if it works for you then you can ramp it up gradually. Incidentally DeGiro also pay about 2.5% on any cash on deposit with them, so that's another short term saving option (You'd have to declare that for DIRT separately also)

I'd also suggest keeping another €10-20k in short term savings to put into the SIA hopefully coming next year.
 
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Maybe hold off for the new government saving scheme (should be coming in 2027) and see if that is a better place to put excess money.
Hoping to do that when the time comes, the devil is in the detail I guess. Hopefully a good scheme for all.
 
After maxing out both your avc contributions a couple of minor suggestions you might want to consider that are variations on your list

2) in terms of direct shares you might want to consider something like Berkshire Hathaway which provides a fair amount of diversification.

5) rather than state savings you might want to consider zero coupon government bonds as they are taxed at cgt rates and provide access to the cgt allowances. You could do this with short term bonds while waiting to see if the new saving scheme helps
Yeah, i am actively considering Berkshire(BRK.B) versus an ETF. Hadn't heard of zero coupon govenrment bonds but will delve into that a little.
 
Yeah, i am actively considering Berkshire(BRK.B)
Be aware of this in case it's relevant.
This currently applies to me so I'm considering liquidating my significant holdings in BRK.B and reinvesting the money "locally" possibly in ETFs in the EU even with the deemed disposal/exit tax issues.
 
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