Dubai purchase - beware of what ?

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What sort of lifestyle can you have in a place where it is even too hot to sit outside at 10pm for two or three months a year? Air conditioned this, air conditioned that...Dubai is completely fanatsy land that is a house of cards built on sand!
 
What sort of lifestyle can you have in a place where it is even too hot to sit outside at 10pm for two or three months a year? Air conditioned this, air conditioned that...Dubai is completely fanatsy land that is a house of cards built on sand!

Its a giant bloody pyramid scheme to trap the unwary.
Irish people must be amongst the most gullible "investors" in the world.
Eircom,Bulgaria and now Dubai...
 
Its a giant bloody pyramid scheme to trap the unwary.
Irish people must be amongst the most gullible "investors" in the world.
Eircom,Bulgaria and now Dubai...

Quite right. I have heard that in some places estate agents had 3 prices:

1) A price for locals
2) A higher price for foreign "investors"
3) An even higher price for Irish "investors".
 
OK Ok....same point being made over and over again. Lots of us were taken for a ride and that's for sure. Expensive lesson and some.
But rather than be dosed with the dismal message day after day, how to extricate ourselves from our predicament....that's what we would like to hear.

No need to tell me anymore that Dubai is disastrous, I know.
So realistically what might one be able to salvage out of it with the best approach ? Any advice in that direction, guys ?
 
What about Romania, Hungary, Morocco & Cape Verde ?.

I certainly wouldn't class Hungary (and perhaps Romania...but not too familiar with Rom) with the rest of those countries.........but lets stick to Dubai on this thread
 
Hi 1John, I've been following this thread, and I invested in Dubai a number of years back. I bought off plan, via Larionovo, whom are no defunct. However, I dealt directly with Profile in Dubai. I have since decided to rent out my units, they were let within 10 days, for a very acceptable annual rent. Payable in advance, 1 year in advance ! I do appreciate all the comments on the state of the Dubai property market, but I also do believe that if you are investing, you need to have your strategy in mind, mines always been for the long term, all property markets are cyclical, all markets have been affected by "bubbles" in the past. I plan to at least see out this tenancy year. For what its worth, my experience with Profile has been very good, and very professional.
 
Hi 1John, I've been following this thread, and I invested in Dubai a number of years back. I bought off plan, via Larionovo, whom are no defunct. However, I dealt directly with Profile in Dubai. I have since decided to rent out my units, they were let within 10 days, for a very acceptable annual rent. Payable in advance, 1 year in advance ! I do appreciate all the comments on the state of the Dubai property market, but I also do believe that if you are investing, you need to have your strategy in mind, mines always been for the long term, all property markets are cyclical, all markets have been affected by "bubbles" in the past. I plan to at least see out this tenancy year. For what its worth, my experience with Profile has been very good, and very professional.

Marley that all sounds very good but I think it is most unusual and people who have property in Dubai should really consider any oportunities they have to sell and possibly cut their losses.

Dubai is and has always been a bit of a pyramid scheme....people will lose money big time.

If the rental market is as good as you say it is then some people with the right properties should be able to sell their properties at a decent price without too much difficulty. I doubt it though.
 
Given the number of Irish who are investors in Dubai, the number who offer some strand of thought via these pages is pretty dismal, isn't it ?

Has anybody any idea of the actual numbers of Irish (i.e.normally Ireland based) who may be property buyers out there ?
Is there/has there ever been a group with a mutual support focus ?
 
The main problem in Dubai is ovesupply. When the current building projects are complete, capacity will have increased by something like a factor of twenty times actual demand. The sheer scale and volume of building projects is staggering; about ten percent of the world's cranes are erected in Dubai for instance.
As other posters have said, this is essentially a pyramid scheme; those who got in forst (and got out) will do fine, the rest will get scalded.
I wouldn't compare this to Hungary, where the worst that happened was a slight increase in supply above demand, somehting that will fix itself in the short term. Bulgaria is a more correct comparison, where investors were persuaded that there was a rental stream available that would give a return. Bad and all as Bulgaria was, I think that Dubai will prove to be a bigger bowl of sawdust. The only way for this garbage is down.
 
The main problem in Dubai is ovesupply. When the current building projects are complete, capacity will have increased by something like a factor of twenty times actual demand. The sheer scale and volume of building projects is staggering; about ten percent of the world's cranes are erected in Dubai for instance.

I have actually heard that it is 33% of all the worlds cranes are in Dubai! Not that anyone can prove what percentage is correct but anywhere between 10% and 33% can give one an idea of the scale of the building that is taking place.

Meanwhile, the news from Dubai gets worse:

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=262140&version=1&template_id=48&parent_id=28

As expats loose their jobs, the demand for rented accomodation will fall, exactly when a big oversupply of properties come on stream.
 
The promised rents will never happen; 99% of tourists go to Dubai for theluxury hotels, not to spend their few days frying up in a little apartment.
It won't be a problem for the locals and the government though. The foreigners don't really own the properties, there isn't a conveyencing system as we know it and the land will always belong to the Sheik. As a last resort, the properties can be taken over by the ruling families for social housing, so it will all have been worth while!
 
The promised rents will never happen; 99% of tourists go to Dubai for theluxury hotels, not to spend their few days frying up in a little apartment.
It won't be a problem for the locals and the government though. The foreigners don't really own the properties, there isn't a conveyencing system as we know it and the land will always belong to the Sheik. As a last resort, the properties can be taken over by the ruling families for social housing, so it will all have been worth while!

I doubt that they will ever need much social housing because the locals are currently only 15% (about 250,000)of the population so it should be relatively easy to house them, given the numbers of properties that have been built. The locals are not poor. The por are the Paskistanis and the Indians who no doubt will get shipped back home when their services are no longer required.

The scale of some of these building projects was enormous. For example there are three palms and one of them was designed to house 1 million people! I am not sure how far they have progressed with that one.
 
well i must say it al makes sad reading... first Spain...then Bulgaria . ..now Dubai..all caputtt!
but a lesson all the same for all of us..maybe its time for us to get real,if we have a few bob bring it to the post office,credit union or similar and just be happy with the return..avoid the bubbles..sheiks and burning sand!

Pat
 
well i must say it al makes sad reading... first Spain...then Bulgaria . ..now Dubai..all caputtt!
but a lesson all the same for all of us..maybe its time for us to get real,if we have a few bob bring it to the post office,credit union or similar and just be happy with the return..avoid the bubbles..sheiks and burning sand!

Pat
That's not necessarily the lesson; property was and always will be a good investment, subject to the right advice and some unblinkered thinking. Following the herd to the "next big thing" is not the way to go.
Over the last few years many people have made a lot of money from their property investments, but a greater number would seem to have lost a lot too.
It's a bit of a cliche to say that if something sounds too good to be true, then it probably is just that, but that sums up a lot of the problem. Promises of riches in Bulgaria, with rents promised where patently no rental market exists, should have made buyers wary. It's far too easy for a seller to add two years rent to the price and pretend that he can give two years rental guarantee, but if buyers had checked the actual prices on the ground they would have raised the right series of questions. They didn't, for the most part.
Likewise in Dubai, a tourist destination based on high-end luxury hotels, where on earth did buyers think that they would find tenants for twenty times as many apartments as are on the market right now, when it's not too easy to fill the ones that exist already? There are none so blind as those who can not see.
All this didn't just happen in foreign places of course; there are lots of very sick buyers looking woefully at "bargains" that they bought for "investment" in small towns and villages all over Ireland, all lying idle and costing money in repayments and maintenance.
Paradoxically, the people who will make money from property are the ones that are buying now, quietly behind the scenes, sticking to good areas and locations and buying at rock bottom prices. For instance, people are getting out of places like Budapest for no other reason than that there is a general panic out there, and canny buyers (mostly Israeli) are hoovering up bargains. The same is happening in London, with Irish buyers running for the door when there is no need; the local investors are quietly snapping up occasional properties at very good value. I know someone who bought a property in London a few weeks ago that is giving him an eight percent return from a gilt-edged tenant, just because an Irish buyer panicked. With interest rates falling, good property more than pays for itself and can even give an additional return from day one.
So, if you're in Dubai or Bulgaria, there may be good cause to panic, but that's not the case if you're in a good area in a good city where people need to work and live.
Swim against the tide, don't follow the herd!
 
Hi Lollix
You made some excellent points, what i was saying is people who do not know the market or how it works are being burned badly,even in yesterdays Mail on Sunday Bodrum in Turkey is been touted as the next Marbella!!!!..people see this and think WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH...and it starts all over again.i really feel sorry for people that are caught,but maybe its time for people to open their eyes as well.

Pat
 
I know someone who bought a property in London a few weeks ago that is giving him an eight percent return from a gilt-edged tenant, just because an Irish buyer panicked.

What return was that paniced Irish buyer getting from the same gilt-edged tenant?

Was their 'investment' gradually bleeding them dry because they overpaid for it in the first place?
 
i think the main reason people have gotten burned in dubai in particular is down to the fact that most of the estate agents selling property in dubai were out and out cowboys , you would not expect the average investor to be in the know with regard dubai so most of them rightly or wrongly simply put thier faith in the estate agents
 
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