Dubai purchase - beware of what ?

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What is the explanation now for the much hyped merger between Larionovo and Profile recently ?
Should that now be seen as a move to muddy shallow waters ?
An exercise in smoke and mirrors ?
Trade on the hype and hope for a miracle ?
The silence from that quarter right now speaks volumes.


larionovo will make an absolute fortune on dubai , those of us who bought in dubai should we decide to take larionovo to task will soon realise that our lease agreement is based on emmirates law and how many of the hundreds or possibly thousands who bought in dubai are going to make a legal challenge in an arab country where laws are made based on the whim of some malevolent shiek
 
For the information of everyone interested in reasoned argument and not so blinded by their anger at the construction industry and/or the government that they're incapable of seeing an opportunity when it presents itself. I'm posting the following quotes :-

"Housing and homeless agency Focus Ireland said with 10,000 unsold housing units in Dublin alone, there was an opportunity to make up for successive governments' failure to deliver on social housing targets during the economic boom" Sr Stanislaus Kennedy

"The government has been urged to buy up homes which remain unsold due to the property slump in a statement by homeless action group Simon communities. Patrick Burke, the charity's chief executive, said yesterday that the Government should take advantage of cheaper property prices to boost it's housing bank. Due to the economic slowdown house prices are lower than they have been in years, he pointed out."

Both of these people have long track records in trying to solve the problem of homelessness and inadequate housing provision, neither are in the business of propping up builders/construction companies.

I always work on the basis of the old hebrew proverb "It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness". Some people are obviously happier in the dark - cursing!
 
For the information of everyone interested in reasoned argument and not so blinded by their anger at the construction industry and/or the government that they're incapable of seeing an opportunity when it presents itself. I'm posting the following quotes :-

"Housing and homeless agency Focus Ireland said with 10,000 unsold housing units in Dublin alone, there was an opportunity to make up for successive governments' failure to deliver on social housing targets during the economic boom" Sr Stanislaus Kennedy

"The government has been urged to buy up homes which remain unsold due to the property slump in a statement by homeless action group Simon communities. Patrick Burke, the charity's chief executive, said yesterday that the Government should take advantage of cheaper property prices to boost it's housing bank. Due to the economic slowdown house prices are lower than they have been in years, he pointed out."

Both of these people have long track records in trying to solve the problem of homelessness and inadequate housing provision, neither are in the business of propping up builders/construction companies.

I always work on the basis of the old hebrew proverb "It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness". Some people are obviously happier in the dark - cursing!



if a homeless person in ireland wishes to have my appartment in dubai ( if and whenever its built ) then that is fine , better someone deserving to have it then some developer
 
Last week's Irish Times Property supplement mentioned PropertyAuction.ie as a new site when Irish buyers and sellers of overseas property can make contact. I wish you well.
 
Last week's Irish Times Property supplement mentioned PropertyAuction.ie as a new site when Irish buyers and sellers of overseas property can make contact. I wish you well.



i spoke to that company today , they certainly know how to charge , thats all il say , apart from the 1000 euro they charge to list your property , advertise it ( with a bunch of other adds i might add ) and bring it to auction , thier having an auction in the new year in some hotel in dublin , afterall that they charge you 5% commision , i suggested that was very high for an irish company , thier reply was its foreign property they are selling , its a fresh idea this company has but i doubt i will be availing of thier services
 
Hello all,

My situation is that i withdrew from purchasing an appartment in the Algarve (Praia da Rocha) Portugal through Larionovo. Mortgage finance was not forthcoming for the development. Larionovo/Profile Ltd. in a letter dated 1st September promised a refund of all deposits and admin. fees if clients wished to withdraw.
Following this letter, I formally withdrew by email and phone to Larionovo in early September. I have tried to contact both Larionovo and Profile on a number of occassions by phone, email and letter. My phone calls were not returned and my emails and letters remain unanswered.
I am interested in hearing from anyone that has had similar issues with Larionovo in relation to this or other developments.
 
According to Arabianbusinesscom there is now negative equity in Dubai with some appartment prices falling by 30% in one month and many off plan "investors" have been hit:
 
More bad news from Dubai:



The largest developer (state owned too) is laying off 500 employees due to the downturn in the property market.
 
RE: ecstatic's offer of 45K

your off course pulling my leg

I'm not so sure he is pulling your leg. If you are prepared to cut and run completely you'd at least be 5K up on the deal he offered. Maybe even if he was pulling your leg, the message from Ecstatic is basically that by adjusting er ahem slashing your asking price to be between the final stage payment and the total cost price you could cut your losses significantly compared to simply walking away.

I've made plenty of paper losses on the stock market recently. To be frank, I could have done much better investing in a shoe box or a matress or a brand new Audi R8. My only consolations are 1) that the price of my current assets may eventually go back up a bit 2) that all prices of all assets are falling and relatively speaking I really haven't done that badly 3) I am not a forced seller so I am still in control 4) The prices of other products and services that I want to buy are at worst static or also falling, so I don't need as much income anyway. 5) there should be / or already are some great new investment opportunities due to forced sellers.

My personal opinion is that financial assets (based on housing) have been cut very aggressively in the past weeks, that owners are still in denial, and that there is still a very very long way to go in property price reductions.

So what level "in the experts opinion" is the appropriate "haircut" in overseas property? (especially Dubai to keep it on topic)
 
Martin,

You have asked the real question. From the start, seveal years ago I have considered Dubai as an unsustainable bubble. Everyone was 'flippimg' with no thought to an end user. Rather like a musical " pass the parcel" with the difference that in this game noone wants to be left holding the parcel. My opinion (that's all it is, my opinion) is that Dubai will end up with 'ghost' towers/estates. Let's face reality here. Companies that relocate there are not labour intensive; most accomodation is needed for lowly paid workers in malls, theme parks etc. They don't want/can't afford luxury apartments. Tourism ?. If you want to ski you will go to a real ski resort (better & cheaper), golf ? ditto. Disneyland ?. ditto.

Bottom line ?.

Thousands of unoccupied properties gradually deteriorating into modern slums.

Who mentioned service charges ?.
 
BigRog.
Your basic message is that people from here who own property in Dubai would probably do themselves a favour by selling up now and hightailing out of there without a backward glance ? Holding on for some kind of decent recovery of even part of the cash invested is probably negative thinking, in your view.

You may well be right and if you are then this means that right now the Dubai construction bubble has just ground to a shuddering halt. Could a group of Dubai investors acting collectively manage to salvage some portion of the original investment monies ?
 
Looks like Dubia needs a government bail out of sorts from Abu Dhabi and the U.A.E. to meet its debts.

Dubai Speculators Quit as Lending Drought Bursts Desert Bubble

Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- The classified ads in Dubai read like an obituary for a real-estate market that until a few months ago seemed immune from the global credit crisis.
A Turkish investor, who identified himself as Sebat, took out 10 bright yellow ads in the Nov. 25 edition of Gulf News, the United Arab Emirates’ biggest newspaper, with the headline: “DIRECT FROM OWNER DISTRESS SALE!!!” Sebat said he used to be able to buy four or five properties at a time and sell them the next day for a profit of as much as 5 percent.
“There is panic in the market,” said Sebat, 52, who wouldn’t give his full name because he’s juggling 60 properties.
The property bubble in the desert emirate, home to the world’s tallest building, most expensive hotel suite and largest manmade islands, is bursting as scarce credit and slumping oil prices have international investors scurrying to dump assets. That may shatter Dubai’s goal of creating a sustainable economy by building the Persian Gulf hub for finance and tourism, forcing it to depend on oil-rich neighbor Abu Dhabi for financing.
“Dubai is more precarious than it has ever been,” said Christopher Davidson, author of “Dubai: The Vulnerability of Success” (2008, Columbia University Press). “If the property industry collapses in Dubai, it will be finished. Dubai’s relative autonomy will come to an abrupt end.”
The emirate’s push into luxury property developments and tourist attractions was diversification on “paper sand,” said Davidson, a professor of Middle Eastern affairs at Durham University in the U.K.
‘Nasty Downturn’
Real-estate prices may drop 20 percent or more, analysts at EFG-Hermes Holding SAE, the biggest publicly traded investment bank in Egypt, said in a report this week.
Nakheel PJSC, the Dubai state-owned developer of three palm-shaped islands in the Persian Gulf, said Nov. 30 that it is scaling back or delaying work on some of its $30 billion in projects, including the 62-story Trump International Hotel & Tower near the Mega Yacht Club on the trunk of Palm Jumeirah.
“In such a nasty downturn, which we are seeing now, they are just not immune to global events,” said Michael Baer, founder of Dubai-based Baer Capital Partners and great-grandson of Julius Baer, who started Switzerland’s largest independent wealth manager. “Maybe the boom is over for the time being.”
The sheikhdom may need help from Abu Dhabi and the U.A.E. to service its debt, according to Moody’s Investors Service. Dubai borrowed $80 billion to finance its transformation and make up for a lack of natural resources. It has just 4 billion barrels of oil reserves, compared with Abu Dhabi’s 92.2 billion barrels.
‘Healthy Correction’
Dubai officials say the emirate can weather the storm.
“The real estate sector is witnessing a healthy correction,” Mohammed Ali Alabbar, chairman of Emaar Properties PJSC and head of a committee studying the effects of the global credit crisis on Dubai’s economy, said in a Nov. 24 speech. “This is a consequence of global financial conditions and is inherent to the very nature of the market.”
Dubai will meet its debt obligations, he said.
Baer said he is optimistic the boom will return if the government takes the right actions. “There will be layoffs, they will have readjustments in asset prices and maybe they will have more careful accounting practices,” he said.
Led by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, Dubai attracted investment with no income tax and free-trade zones. Dubai, the second-biggest of the U.A.E.’s seven states, benefited from an inflow of international investors eager to tap the Gulf’s wealth after a six-year surge in oil prices.
Five-Year Boom
Real-estate values surged fourfold over the past five years, fueled by a supply shortage and an influx of expatriates. Rising commodities prices drove inflation, which accelerated to a record 11.1 percent in the U.A.E. last year. Dubai opened its property market to foreign investment in 2002.
Borrowers tapped mortgages for as much as 90 percent of a property’s value to buy homes on the manmade fronds of the Palm Jumeirah and villas with gardens or golf-course views in developments such as Emirates Hills, The Springs and The Lakes.
Now the credit crunch is coming to Dubai. It’s being aggravated by oil prices that have tumbled 68 percent since reaching a record $147.27 a barrel on July 11.
That will mean less interest in buying third or fourth homes in Dubai, said Gabriel Stein, a director at London’s Lombard Street Research, which provides economic analysis.
“There are bound to be white-elephant developments,” he said. “If it was built on the premise of ‘build it and they will come’ then that will now turn out to be a mistake.”
Bargain Villas
Banks are tightening lending or freezing it altogether. Amlak Finance PJSC, one of the U.A.E.’s biggest mortgage lenders, said Nov. 19 that it had suspended new home loans. London-based Lloyds TSB Group Plc stopped offering mortgages for apartments in Dubai on Nov. 11 and reduced the amount it will lend for villas to 50 percent of the price, from 80 percent.
The cost of a seven-bedroom villa on Palm Jumeirah dropped to as low as 19 million dirhams ($5.2 million) last month, from 30 million dirhams in September, according to the Dubai unit of German real-estate company Engel & Voelkers AG.
On Nov. 20, Nakheel and its South African partner threw a $20 million party for the opening of the $1.5 billion Atlantis resort, complete with the world’s biggest fireworks display and celebrities from actress Charlize Theron to singer Kylie Minogue. The hotel’s most expensive suite costs $42,000 a night excluding breakfast.
Two days later, the U.A.E. stepped in to shore up Dubai’s two biggest mortgage lenders, Amlak and Tamweel PJSC. They are merging with state-owned Real Estate Bank, based in Abu Dhabi.
No Longer Immune
Artur Khayrullin moved to Dubai three years ago to escape the Russian winter and invest in the booming real-estate market. Now he’s being forced to sell four apartments to raise cash for his family business in Moscow. They have been on the market for two months.
“With all this oil money in the region, I thought the Dubai property market would be secure from the global problems,” the 30-year-old Bentley owner said, reached on his mobile phone on the beach. Now, “nobody is getting financing.”
The worst may be yet to come as a glut of properties arrives on the market.
About 70,000 units are scheduled to be completed in 2009, more than half of which were originally planned for this year and last, according to a September report from EFG-Hermes.
Buyers willing to commit to purchases before construction are harder to find. So-called off-plan sales helped fuel the bubble with some properties passing through multiple buyers. Off-plan prices have dropped as much as 20 percent since September, according to developer Al Jabal Holdings.
“The speculative buyers were more than 50 percent of the market,” said Eckart Woertz, chief economist at the Dubai- based Gulf Research Center. “They have disappeared.”
Istanbul native Sebat said he’s prepared to leave after 12 years in Dubai.
“I will be in a very big panic and will want to get out of Dubai if I don’t think things will get better,” he said.
 
What I find is that even if your property is secure and gaining in value, the lifestyle in Dubai is so bananas compared to Europe that there appears to be no personal or familial point to the investment. I have seen thousands upon thousands of empty properties and met hundreds of people who are not really having a very good time socially.
 
I have seen thousands upon thousands of empty properties and met hundreds of people who are not really having a very good time socially.

When you can't even walk on the sand for months of the year you have to wonder is it more hell than heaven.
 
When you can't even walk on the sand for months of the year you have to wonder is it more hell than heaven.
That's going to be solved by putting pipes under the sand to cool it down. Like a fridge underneath.
 
It's the Palazzo Versace hotel; 10 storey, 223 rooms, some with their own internal swimming pools, plus 169 apartments. The main swimming pool will be refrigerated, cooling pipes will run under the sand and giant fans will create a gentle breeze. 60% of Dubai's power consumption is for air conditioning. Each person living there has a carbon footprint of more than 44 tons of CO2 a year. Climate control !?!. Another energy saving light bulb, anyone ?.
 
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