Key Post Capital Gains Tax on sale of shares

Discussion in 'Tax' started by Brendan Burgess, 19 Sep 2009.

  1. 1stimebuyer

    1stimebuyer Registered User

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    I dont believe them to be revenue approved.
    The shares didnt come through company payroll (they were transferred directly from the share platform)

    It seems i need to fill out form RTS01 on the basis they were short option shares. I know the total profit, which the sheet calls for but I dont know the tax liability.

    I assume I'm due to pay income tax on it (all at the higher rate?)
    I assume I need to pay USC and PAYE?
    Is the allowance (1250) deductable from the taxable sum (or does it apply at all)

    What percentages do I work off? Say the profit was €10,000 - Can someone do a mock calculation for me?
     
  2. dub_nerd

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  3. 1stimebuyer

    1stimebuyer Registered User

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    Sorry for the follow up dumb question.

    So basically is the vesting of shares the same as getting a bonus at the time. Assuming some of my monthly wage goes into the top rate of tax, does that mean I have to pay the top rate of tax on all shares and PRSI and USC - So ~48% tax?
     
  4. Gordon Gekko

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    You were awarded unapproved share options with a 5 year term. The exercise price was their market value on the day that they were given to you.

    Say they were worth €5 a share back then and now they’re worth €7 a share. Within 30 days of exercise, you complete an RTSO1 form and pay 52% of €2 to Revenue (assuming you’re a top rate tax/USC payer). You also become obliged to submit a tax return for 2018 but it’s purely reporting as you’ve already paid the tax. That’s obviously a moot point if you’re already submitting tax returns.
     
  5. Returning

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    My question also relates to an employee share purchase scheme, revenue-approved. I purchase shares every six months and sell them immediately. The gain is subsequently taxed at 52% + USC + PRSI through my company's payroll so am I eligible for CGT exemption of EUR 1270 and how do I apply for that, I don't normally do an annual return.
     
  6. dub_nerd

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    No, you are exercising share options which is why the gain is taxed as income. You are not paying capital gains tax, therefore there is no capital gains exemption.

    EDIT: Just noticed you said it was an approved scheme. In that case you can avoid income tax by holding them for a certain amount of time (three years). But since you are selling them immediately you are liable to income tax. (I presume you mean 52% including USC and PRSI).
     
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  7. Returning

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    Hi dub_nerd, yes it is an approved scheme. In January the net gain was taxed through my payroll at a rate of 60% which I took to mean 52% plus USC plus PRSI. Will check back on that.

    Revenue confirmed that a CGT exemption does apply but your reply makes more sense, that I am liable for income tax and not eligible for any exemption.
     
  8. Returning

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    On Friday I had a message from Revenue withdrawing their recent advice about CGT as they had made a mistake. So all clear now. Will consider holding on to the shares for 3 years in future in order to avoid the tax.
     
  9. Riverwood

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    Hi

    I have received shares over the past ten years or so via company share savings scheme. These shares were put straight into a goodbody account.
    Last year for the first time I sold 10K worth and so there is possible some CGT due this year. I have however no idea precisely which shares I sold - they could be the first
    shares I got or the latest. Should Goodbodys be able to confirm exactly which shares were sold?

    Thanks
     
  10. Zenith63

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  11. willalex

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    I get confuse with this, so rather than start a new thread, does anyone know, taking example above, would I have had to pay the €5 per share back then? If I got the shares free of charge, can I still use the €5 base cost?
     
  12. paul00s

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    Hi there, i have my capital gains tax allowance for the year to use up. I'm going to realise £1000 of gains in burford capital. I would like to spread bet it, i just want to remove the risk of price change, and remain in the share, not looking to profit during the month i have to sell.

    Are there any tax implications to doing this, would revenue turn around and say i didn't really sell?