Any provisional drivers caught yet?


I agree, the law is fair and common sense, the law isnt the problem. Very few ppl in this country cant afford a car and u17's usually have parents to drive them and their travel needs are rarely as pressing or as frequent as a working 18yr old.

How is an 18 yr old who just did his leaving and lives at home and just got a new job in a shop 20 miles a way going to get to work every day? Mammy works 20 miles the other direction, theirs no bus? Simple, he'll have to stay at home, draw the dole.
 

What if you are under the current driving age and living in the country - do they also have a right to public transport and because its not there have the right to drive?

In 20 years there will still be no public transport to all rural areas - this would be completely unfeasible. Younger people will grow up knowing they need a car - they need to get provisional - take lessons - become a compodent driver - do test - after passing test - then use car - become dependent etc....
 

I was mid twenties and had a kid before i got my licence in sweden, before that i never drove unacompanied, it was unthinkable. But it wasnt a problem as i still could get around. You just cant survive in this country without a car like you can in other countries. Until such a time as you can laws like this are plain unworkable.
I know a lad at work, foreign chap who has failed his test a few times and now has to drive illegaly the 50 mile trip to work. What other option does he have? There is no bus, we cant car pool as we all finnish different times and irregular shifts, weekends, nights etc.
 

Or live nearer his/her job - as an alternative. Jobs don't always come to people, some people go to the jobs

Quote: I know a lad at work, foreign chap who has failed his test a few times and now has to drive illegaly the 50 mile trip to work. What other option does he have? There is no bus, we cant car pool as we all finnish different times and irregular shifts, weekends, nights etc.

He could also live closer to his job.
 
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Until such a time as other options are available then the law should never have been changed.

The law wasn't changed, as far as I'm aware. It has just started to be enforced. So the law was always there, drivers without a full licence were driving unlawfully for years and presumably knew so.

Surely there has to be some element of individual responsibility? Why did such drivers not apply for their tests? Did they intend on driving without a full licence indefinitely?
 
Surely there has to be some element of individual responsibility? Why did such drivers not apply for their tests? Did they intend on driving without a full licence indefinitely?

Most ppl have done it, but failed, sometimes unfairly.
My bro passed his first time, he will admit himself that he's a brutal driver then and still is, doesnt know how he passed it.
 
What if it's only for a few months? Or they cant afford it?

Could they not rent for a couple of months. I can't break the laws and endanger people just because it suits me. Other people can't either.
 

He's making arrangements to do so, but he's got 5 kids and bought a house where he is and in the current climate it will take him a while to sell it. He's putting in overtime to cover the €1000 fine if and when it comes!
 
Could they not rent for a couple of months. I can't break the laws and endanger people just because it suits me. Other people can't either.

If that's the choice and the pay isnt great the chances are that the individual could opt to stay at home and draw the dole, easier and they'd probably earn on it.
Not a great result is it?
 
If the car is sitting there - would this not suggest that they are not driving unnaccomonied
Correct, the inference has been that L Plate drivers would just remove plates and continue driving, not in this case.
 
He's making arrangements to do so, but he's got 5 kids and bought a house where he is and in the current climate it will take him a while to sell it. He's putting in overtime to cover the €1000 fine if and when it comes!

Could he not use the €1000 he is saving to pay for rent, pay for taxi's to take him to public transport - bus, train etc
 
To be honest, i dont see this thread progressing much further. There are people on both sides of the fence and it seems that we can't see each other!
Ho hum....
 
Posters seem to be complaining because they're not allowed to break the law any more! This country is crazy!

And someone asked a good question earlier and I'm not sure if it was answered. What do people do when they can't afford a car? How do they manage? Maybe they should be allowed to steal a car then because there's no public transport and they need it to get to work. We could ask the Gardai not to enforce the whole "theft" thing.

I await the backlash... ;0)
 
Could he not use the €1000 he is saving to pay for rent, pay for taxi's to take him to public transport - bus, train etc

Yes he could, but he has a big family and likes to see them occasionally, and he can hardly afford a 2nd home!

6 months hasnt been enough for him, he moved down 2 or 3 yrs ago, failed his test several times since.
 
failed his test several times since.

This means he has been deemed unqualified to drive!!!!! Where is the argument??? He's proven to a tester "several times" that he is unfit to drive. Geez people....
 

I agree with comment - posters appear to want to be able to break rule based on circumstance.

However as mentioned already post thread is probably not going to advance any further. We're just debating circumstance now.