Alcohol consumption in Ireland - are we finally ready to admit we have a problem?

Purple

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Have you a source for that odyssey? According to drinkaware it is on the increase, not decrease.
And yet the actual data shows a small drop in 2019.

So obesity is a far bigger health problem; it kills way more people and costs the State about 3 times as much in additional health spending.
I'm all for minimum unit pricing but not without a sugar/fatty/yes, you are a bad parent so we have to do this/ tax.
 

odyssey06

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This is from 2019:

Alcohol receipts for the year ended show a 0.05% decline, however when an estimated population data for 2019 is applied (CSO: population >15 years old – 3,912.6m) the figures for consumption, as a per capita, stand at 10.78 litres, indicative of a small but encouraging reduction – 2.13%, year on year.

 

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And yet the actual data shows a small drop in 2019.

So obesity is a far bigger health problem; it kills way more people and costs the State about 3 times as much in additional health spending.
I'm all for minimum unit pricing but not without a sugar/fatty/yes, you are a bad parent so we have to do this/ tax.
If you are only interested in counting the cents, if it kills way more people it may end up saving the State in pensions and other social supports.
People don't live forever in perfect health. If they don't die at 60 from a heart attack or smoking, they live until their 80s on long pensions, medical card prescriptions, nursing home care etc
 

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If you are only interested in counting the cents, if it kills way more people it may end up saving the State in pensions and other social supports.
People don't live forever in perfect health. If they don't die at 60 from a heart attack or smoking, they live until their 80s on long pensions, medical card prescriptions, nursing home care etc
No, that's the great thing about smoking; it kills you reasonably quickly (and you pay al that extra tax while you are killing yourself). Smokers may actually save the country money and with all that erectile dysfunction it causes they have fewer children to feed.

Fat people start having health problems in their 20's but they can still live into their 80's. They'll cost a fortune before you have to knock the back wall of the house out and have them removed in a net with a cherry picker. Environmentally they are a disaster as well; more food eaten, more methane produced, more cotton for their clothes, more fuel burned bringing them, well, everywhere (they'll not great walkers). You can't even criticise them the way you can with smokers and alcoholics; you don't hear people saying "Don't you alcoholic shame me!"
 

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Things aren't as bad as some on here are making out. Consumption is still down around 14.5% on 2000 notwithstanding increases since 2010. Minimum unit pricing is pure nanny state nonsense that does nothing other than to transfer wealth from poor people to supermarkets.

Also, our figures are likely to be skewed by tourism despite the efforts of the WHO to exclude this from the figures. The WHO Report notes the following:
The litres of alcohol consumed by tourists in a country were based on the number of tourists who visited a country, the average amount of time they spent in the country, and how much these people drink on average in their countries of origin (estimated on the basis of per capita consumption of recorded and unrecorded alcohol). Furthermore, tourist alcohol consumption also accounted for the inhabitants of a country consuming alcohol while visiting other countries (based on the average time spent outside of their country and the amount of alcohol consumed in their country of origin). These estimations assumed the following: 1) that people drink the same amounts of alcohol when they are tourists as they do in their home countries, and 2) that global tourist consumption is equal to 0 (and thus tourist consumption can be either net negative or positive)

We market ourselves as the land of craic and pints of the Black Stuff so it's reasonable to assume that the 9m visitors do a fair bit of drinking and more than they do in their countries of origin.

The consumption figures for Ireland are as follows:

YearLitres Consumed per Capita (per WHO stats here)
2000​
15.1​
2005​
14.2​
2010​
12.1​
2015​
12.5​
2018​
12.9​
 

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I'm conscious of de-railing this thread but what's the obsession with sugar? Why not tax pizzas, burgers, crisps, large bags of pasta etc? The drivers of obesity are a lot more complicated than sugary foods. Why not just cut out the middle-man and tax people based on their body fat percentage and spare the rest of us the misery? It all becomes so arbitrary when you start levying taxes like this. Orange juice is just as bad as many soft drinks but is excluded from the SSDT. There's loads of extremely calorie-dense foods that are perceived as "healthy" - where's the avocado or cashew-nut tax lobby?

In any event, back on topic, it's pretty clear that minimum unit pricing is just an effort to make the lives of poor people a little more miserable. Alcohol consumption is way less now than it was in 2000 despite the relative fall in its price. I thought Fr. Matthew died in the 19th century.
 
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