Just as there can be from aborting it.
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I don't understand how you are unable to grasp what the unborn child might feel about all of this.
In my opinion an abortion throws up some pretty serious issues for the unborn child - a lot more serious than the mother!
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I dont disagree with this - of course there is, but I suspect the worry of a child being out there who may or may not make contact some day is a different kind of issue than something that is definitely completely in the past.
I guess the argument is that she is not merely dictacting what goes on in her own body, she is dictating whether another person should die or have a chance for life. It is rarely cut and dried and for either stance to take a black and white approach isn't right imo because of the many variables that effect every case.
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That's a common misconception (no pun intended). If you think murder, rape, abuse, torture, abortion, whatever is wrong you do not have to respect the choices of others is such regard. Abortion is not a solution to social, medical or mental health problems, but rather a compounding factor in such problems. Women deserve better. People should educate themselves as to what abortion really entails; those with a strong constitution might Google partial-birth abortion. There are many tens of millions of abortions (majority female) worldwide every year, an annual Hidden Holocaust.
I did not generalise from an individual incident. I made a general point and then let people know why I have a specific interest in the subject. Are you suggesting that it is not the case that women who have abortions can have long term psychological problems as a result (Note that I did not say they this always happens)?
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And thats where we differ. I believe in the rights of the mother over the rights of the unborn child. People may disagree with this but its my opinion.
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This says it all. The "worry" that you might one day make contact with the child you gave up for adoption is more important than the concept of killing it.
"Worried you might bump into the child you gave up for adoption? No problem! Come to our clinic and we'll kill it. Problem solved."
I cannot believe the selfishness of some people.
Does this theory apply to those that have been sexually abused and/or raped or even those in abusive relationships, having a child in these circumstances will mean that the abuser will be in their lives forever. Get off your high horse if you haven't been in the position of an unwanted and unexpected pregnancy you have no right to say that it is reasonable to carry a child for nine months then give it away. Quite frankly I know two single mothers (one is an alcoholic) who I can honestly say have made a pigs ear of raising their children and I often think that in these cases abortion would have been a better option for all concerned!
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I have already said I have a different opinion when it comes to sexual assault/suicidal mothers. Read my posts before jumping to conclusions please. My problem is with 99% of abotions which are based on the inconvenience of being pregnant.
You think people who bring up their children badly should have had an abortion. That's lovely. Who else should we abort? Unintelligent people? Disabled people? People you don't like?
Killing unborn children is not the solution to bad parenting.
Insane.
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Surely it is an horrendous abuse of human rights to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term that she would rather terminate?
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Most of the junkies on Middle Abbey Street for a start. Too busy in work to list the rest.
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Oh - I think an unwanted pregnancy is a terrible thing. I know this is not a simple issue.
But you have to decide what is more important - the life of the innocent, unborn child, or the choice of the woman who got pregnant.
I think protecting life should come first. As stated previously, it's not like the mother magically got pregnant - she did complete the full act which led to pregnancy.
So my opinion would be "I'm sorry, but it's too late to change your mind now."
Surely it’s a horrendous abuse of the rights of an unborn child to kill it because it’s mother chooses not to live with the consequences of her own actions (where the pregnancy is a result of rape it is a different matter).
Retroactive abortion… I don’t think it will catch on.
Another fallacy. Studies show that such unstable 'young girls' are far more likely to attempt suicide post-abortion than post-childbirth. They need counseling and support, an abortion is not a fix for suicidal tendencies. Flax, if you think about it, do you think that one unborn child should have less right to life than another based on the circumstances of its conception?
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OK, this is possible, I don't know all the statistics. My point I suppose was I would have a different opinion on the subject for extreme situations.
No, I still think the child is innocent and has a right to life, but I think an evil act like rape is an exceptional situation. Obviously I don't think abortion is a "good" solution in this case, but I can understand the mother's reason for wanting it.
I thought the Golden rule of Irish pub chat was to never discuss abortion, religion or Northern Ireland politics!
People are for it and people are against it. You are never going to change peoples minds but you could end up causing pain to someone even if you don't mean to by using words like 'killing'. Its an emotive subject that I am sure has affected alot of people including myself. Its fine to have opinions and people have the freedom to express them but nobody has the right to pass judgement or try to impose their moral beliefs on others.
People are for it and people are against it. You are never going to change peoples minds but you could end up causing pain to someone even if you don't mean to by using words like 'killing'. Its an emotive subject that I am sure has affected alot of people including myself. Its fine to have opinions and people have the freedom to express them but nobody has the right to pass judgement or try to impose their moral beliefs on others.
If I was a racist and my opinion was that I should not employ black people should I be exempt from anti-discrimination laws because “nobody has the right to pass judgement or try to impose their moral beliefs on others”?
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