The vaccinated person at the table beside you could be infected with sars cov2 and infectious.
Will you go for a pint when restrictions are lifted?
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The vaccinated person at the table beside you could be infected with sars cov2 and infectious.
Paul O Mahoney
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Perhaps you should take your own advice, you continue with drivel, and try to justify your view which we know is simply nonsense.
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But if they are and you are vaccinated the chances of getting infected is greatly reduced.
Again plenty of properly conducted studies to backup this.
And lots of those cases are among the unvaccinated, far higher than their % in the population
To know they are non infected...
You'd need to establish authorised providers of antigen testing which can be available for daily testing... as self administered tests are not reliable.
Antigen tests are prone to high false positives.
So I'm not saying don't use antigen testing, but it's not a straightforward as you make it sound.
Far more important priority to get people vaccinated
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The risk is there albeit reduced. A vaccinated, infected person can spread the virus and there is increasing evidence that that's the case.
I don't have any studies to back up my ground breaking contention that an unvaccinated person who is not infected with sars cov2 can't spread what they don't have to other people.
Yet they're the ones who are barred from entering the pubs and clubs.
You are well wide of the mark on Antigen testing and we are one of the last countries , if not the last, in the EU EEA to embrace them .
They are extremely accurate when an individual is infectious and twice weekly testing has been shown to counter false positives. Michael Mina has written extensively on this topic.
I'm pro vaccine in general.
The European Respiratory Virus Surveillance Summary (ERVISS)
This interactive dashboard provides a weekly integrated epidemiological summary for influenza, RSV and SARS-CoV-2.
And how are those countries doing? They are experiencing a pandemic of the unvaccinated because they facillitated the unvaccinated, whereas we used a carrot \ stick approach of get the vaccine if you want to socialise ... given the differential hospitalisation rates for vaccinated v unvaccinated I think our strategy made more sense at the time.
Antigen tests can miss someone in early stages of infection, you can be negative on a Tuesday but positive on a Wednesday. Antigen test validity for a 'pass' is therefore 24-48 hours only.
They are prone to false positives especially when conducted by a non professional.
So are they extremely accurate when self administered by someone who wants to go the pub that night?
Who is going to conduct the test?
How many tests is that a day and who pays for it?
I'm not against antigen testing- professionally administered and paid for by the person themselves - giving a limited time 'pass' for hospitality and events for the unvaccinated.
How are any of those questions wide of the mark?
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Antigen testing will produce a false negative in a lot of cases. This review of 64 studies shows:
There is also a marked difference between a trained person carrying out the test and your average person. Most people don't go deep enough with the swab.
Denmark have had one of the broadest adoptions of antigen testing that I've heard of, testing about 8% of the population daily and their levels aren't that much different to ours.
You need to stop focusing on the impact of one unvaccinated or vaccinated person with Covid. The health measures are a means of reducing overall transmission and attempt to keep it at a level where our economy can operate as close to normal as possible without the health service being overwhelmed.
We now have 549 cases in hospital with 97 in ICU. There is absolutely no doubt that removing the requirement for vaccination to enter a bar or restaurant will have anything other than a negative effect on those numbers.
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And yet they don't need to be barred, but they feel so special and think they are the defenders of democracy and civil rights, but in reality they are selfish self centred nobodies who can't see beyond themselves.
You are well wide of the mark because you've ignored the critical point of the advantages of twice weekly testing which I already pointed out to you.
NPHET have just recommended them to government btw
NPHET recommends twice weekly antigen testing
The National Public Health Emergency Team has recommended that people who frequently go to nightclubs, bars and restaurants should take twice weekly antigen tests.
So a bit like obese people and Type 2 diabetics are are unnecessarily taking up hospital beds ?
You are well wide of the mark because you've ignored the critical point of the advantages of twice weekly testing which I already pointed out to you.
NPHET have just recommended them to government btw
NPHET recommends twice weekly antigen testing
The National Public Health Emergency Team has recommended that people who frequently go to nightclubs, bars and restaurants should take twice weekly antigen tests.www.rte.ie
That is a recommendation from NPHET and does not mention their use as part of a covid 'pass'.
Self testing is unreliable and should not be used as the basis for a covid 'pass'.
It can be used as an indicator someone needs a PCR test, which I assume is where NPHET are coming from.
Self administered antigen tests are not going to be part of a covid pass here.
So how are these antigen tests to be conducted that frequently and by whom and the bill paid for, to be reliable enough to meet covid pass standards?
Which is the question I keep asking you and you keep ignoring?
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Well people with type 2 diabetes should not be clubbing or suckin pints. And I understand diabetes is an integral part of my life.
Everyone has choices to make in life and if you are saying that the pub is the best place for people with the ailments you mention....that says more about you .
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Why are saying this?
People with those illnesses are being denied access to hospital beds by people who haven't taken up the option of getting vaccinated.
Its really difficult to understand you, I feel there is an underlying reason why you type what you do, because its passionate.
So, let's re start the clock, why are you so, against the simple idea of vaccines and the benefits they bring?
And why do you insist on using one by one examples to try and further your point?
This is a global pandemic, and the idea around vaccines being the "devils work " is nonsense and the pub isn't the best place to solve things either.
So, the alternatives are for you are fo explain why you take the stance you've adopted, without proof , or simply say that my experience is xxxxx, I know the posters here will be wanting to hear and most will give their view, to help, or .......
And that is simply impossible so we are forced to accept less effective measures that actually can be implemented.
I am not vaccinated for this and every year I do not get the flu jag either. I have no issues if someone chooses to take it. I have taken my parents to get theirs and the booster, I feel it is right for them. So I am not against vaccines however it should be a persons own choice.
Why I have decided not to take this vaccine:
1) I've never taken the flu one and it has not been an issue.
2) This might be my main reason - I feel too pressurized to get it be it. Be it from the Government, press, work etc. That just does not sit well with me it's like people believe it is a magic bullet and if you get the vaccine you can neither catch the virus or pass it on, both of which are incorrect.
3) I lead a health life. I do not smoke, drink very little, ,majority of meals are all home made, exercise regularly.
4) I do not go to pubs and work from home I feel I am low risk.
The only reason why I am thinking of getting it would be to reduce the stress on the health service. Nothing more.
I work with a people who got vaccinated early on and are now finding out their vaccine efficacy is running out and they are questioning why they bothered.