I'd add that working in much of the Middle East is akin morally to working in Apartheid era South Africa. You will be benefitting from and contributing to a system that is grossly exploitative and repressive.
I'd add that working in much of the Middle East is akin morally to working in Apartheid era South Africa. You will be benefitting from and contributing to a system that is grossly exploitative and repressive.Just get up to speed with your intended destination. Some parts of the world can be very tough to adapt to.
So What! - You're in the business of making money, don't allow the like of any kind of discrimination get in your way. Irish financial institutions discriminate in every way possible and have been doing so for years. All you're doing is what they are doing.I'd add that working in much of the Middle East is akin morally to working in Apartheid era South Africa. You will be benefitting from and contributing to a system that is grossly exploitative and repressive.
So What! - You're in the business of making money, don't allow the like of any kind of discrimination get in your way. Irish financial institutions discriminate in every way possible and have been doing so for years. All you're doing is what they are doing.
It's one thing buying a product that may have, or probably does have, a ethically dubious supply chain. Think diamonds, electric cars or mobile phones etc. It's quite a different matter to actively profit from that exploitation. It is on par with the cotton trade during the industrial revolution.So What! - You're in the business of making money, don't allow the like of any kind of discrimination get in your way. Irish financial institutions discriminate in every way possible and have been doing so for years. All you're doing is what they are doing.
Probably not possible in London or the US anymore in general but is in the Middle East if you are getting paid tax free.Is this still possible. 25 years ago salaries in London/The US were much higher than in Ireland. Working abroad for a few years and coming home with some capital was possible. I'm not sure it is realistic these days. Of course I am not as well informed on these things as I was.
Good God, first you tell the OP to get into flipping houses to make a quick buck, and now you're telling them to disregard human rights abuses to make a quick buck? It's totally ignorant to equivocate the human rights abuses visited upon people by some regimes in the ME and the "discrimination" from financial institutions. I appreciate that corporate wrongdoing can ruin lives but regimes like Saudi Arabia routinely hang people in public for minor crimes, or even living their lives. Dubai, Qatar and all these shiny hell holes have been built upon the blood of migrant workers and modern day slaves.So What! - You're in the business of making money, don't allow the like of any kind of discrimination get in your way. Irish financial institutions discriminate in every way possible and have been doing so for years. All you're doing is what they are doing.
The UK, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, The Netherlands all built their empires and great cities by plundering the wealth of poorer countries and they all did more than their fair share of hanging. Does a city become “ok” when the pillaging and hanging stops? Do we have to wait a certain period of time? Will Dubai be suddenly cleansed of its ills in, say 75 years time? Food for thought.Good God, first you tell the OP to get into flipping houses to make a quick buck, and now you're telling them to disregard human rights abuses to make a quick buck? It's totally ignorant to equivocate the human rights abuses visited upon people by some regimes in the ME and the "discrimination" from financial institutions. I appreciate that corporate wrongdoing can ruin lives but regimes like Saudi Arabia routinely hang people in public for minor crimes, or even living their lives. Dubai, Qatar and all these shiny hell holes have been built upon the blood of migrant workers and modern day slaves.
My point was that depending what country you are in, you will be considered the white guy, the rich foreigner, the Irish guy, potentially always get ripped off and taken for a ride wherever possible.So What! - You're in the business of making money, don't allow the like of any kind of discrimination get in your way. Irish financial institutions discriminate in every way possible and have been doing so for years. All you're doing is what they are doing.
It just gets too complicated. Most people can’t see or don’t want to see their own biases. IMO everyone should make up their own mind and then disregard the noise.Fair comment, Takado - but what to do? Does it all get too complicated or, as I suspect, do we really not care that much?
Will Dubai be suddenly cleansed of its ills in, say 75 years time? Food for thought.
Also, Ireland is fast becoming a hub for human trafficking with our non existent border controls.
I’m just making the point that when you start taking the moral high ground the ground under your feet starts to shrink rapidly because every country and company has blood on their hands somewhere along the line.
The UK, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, The Netherlands all built their empires and great cities by plundering the wealth of poorer countries and they all did more than their fair share of hanging. Does a city become “ok” when the pillaging and hanging stops? Do we have to wait a certain period of time? Will Dubai be suddenly cleansed of its ills in, say 75 years time? Food for thought.
Equating companies which started in a democratic country with undemocratic police states is juvenile. Many of those "American" MNC's are headquartered here and as we have a policy of being neutral in the face of good or evil then using your "logic" those companies are in the clear.I wonder if people who would refuse to work in Saudi had any issue with investing in/working for/profiting from American MNC’s while their government were warmongering in the middle east?
Non existent? Have you ever travelled through Dublin Airport? They process over 28 million passengers a year and one bloke getting onto a plane without a passport was front page headlines.Also, Ireland is fast becoming a hub for human trafficking with our non existent border controls.
Not is you are an adult and capable of basic levels of critical thinking.I’m not criticising anyone, everyone can make up their own mind - I’m just making the point that when you start taking the moral high ground the ground under your feet starts to shrink rapidly because every country and company has blood on their hands somewhere along the line.
No it doesn't.It just gets too complicated.
In my experience most people are aware of their own biases. Maybe we mix in different circles.Most people can’t see or don’t want to see their own biases.
No, everyone should inform themselves of the facts and make balanced judgements based on evidence.IMO everyone should make up their own mind and then disregard the noise.
The workers exploited in the Middle East are mostly from The Philippines, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, all democracies of one kind or another. They choose to travel to the Middle East because it offers them opportunities their own country cannot. The system is exploitative but many prefer it to the system in their own country.I'd add that working in much of the Middle East is akin morally to working in Apartheid era South Africa. You will be benefitting from and contributing to a system that is grossly exploitative and repressive.
It’s not as easy as it was in South Africa apartheid times to occupy the moral high ground. Back then, you just avoided buying oranges in Dunnes Stores and you could go home feeling great about yourself.No, everyone should inform themselves of the facts and make balanced judgements based on evidence.
Anyone who refers to the Media as the "Mainstream Media" should be ignored.
Migrants make up 90% of UEA’s workforce. Many are treated appallingly. Some are no better than slaves. The desire of one person to escape poverty is not a justification for exploitation by another.The workers exploited in the Middle East are mostly from The Philippines, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, all democracies of one kind or another. They choose to travel to the Middle East because it offers them opportunities their own country cannot. The system is exploitative but many prefer it to the system in their own country.
It’s not that complicated.It’s not as easy as it was in South Africa apartheid times to occupy the moral high ground. Back then, you just avoided buying oranges in Dunnes Stores and you could go home feeling great about yourself.
The current relationship with the Middle East is much more complicated. For a start, the Irish government (and most other western governments) actively encourages trade and cultural relationships with most ME countries. Enterprise Ireland brings government ministers with them to lead trade missions to the region.
Those working there live in some sort of abject reality. They not only have to tolerate the culture there but are also very often the victim of abuses that, in this country, would see the aggressors jailed.
It’s a horrible culture that relies on the endorsement on governments worldwide to give it legitimacy. How can individuals seeking to work there to put together a few quid be expected to be morally superior?