Brendan Burgess
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That is absolutely not true, only a very small minority of the unvaccinated are so due to underlying health issues.Brendan, many unvaccinated people may have serious underlying conditions and maybe can't take the vaccine or have been advised not to do so, many may have had one vaccine and because of serious side effects, were advised not to take the second dose, they are classed as unvaccinated too. We do not know why , the people in ICU are not vaccinated.
Leo, anaphylaxis is an extreme reaction. Many people have had other reactions, myocarditis, tinnitus, neurological side effects, there is a long list of probable side effects. I personally know people that this has happened to and were advised by their doctors to not take the second dose, they are in limbo land. They are not considered vaccinated and therefore excluded from normal socializing.That is absolutely not true, only a very small minority of the unvaccinated are so due to underlying health issues.
Less than 0.5% report any side-effect whatsoever, side effects like anaphylaxis that would mean they would be advised not to get the second dose have an incidence rate of 0.00001.
As I said, 0.45% report side-effects. The vast majority of those are advised it is perfectly safe to take the second vaccine. Covid vaccine side-effects are very carefully monitored, all those vaccinated are requested to report side-effects to the HPRA. The incidence rate of serious side-effects here are so small as to have no bearing whatsoever on current hospitalisation numbers.Leo, anaphylaxis is an extreme reaction. Many people have had other reactions, myocarditis, tinnitus, neurological side effects, there is a long list of probable side effects. I personally know people that this has happened to and were advised by their doctors to not take the second dose, they are in limbo land. They are not considered vaccinated and therefore excluded from normal socializing.
Getting vaccinated is a choice and I have no issue with that, as I said elsewhere those I know who aren't seem happy with their decision.Unvaccinated people represent a disproportionate share of those in hospital and in intensive care.
They are stopping vaccinated people getting the treatment they need - for non-Covid issues.
On balance, I would be against mandatory vaccination.
The few people I know who have refused to be vaccinated say it's not a serious disease and they won't get it. Fine. But if they do, let them look after themselves. Don't let them block up our hospitals.
Brendan
Leo, I know what I know and it is the truth. If you can definitely tell me the number of partially vaccinated people in ICU, I would be grateful and enlightened. Maybe, people do not report side effects to HPRA or are unaware that this facility exists.As I said, 0.45% report side-effects. The vast majority of those are advised it is perfectly safe to take the second vaccine. Covid vaccine side-effects are very carefully monitored, all those vaccinated are requested to report side-effects to the HPRA. The incidence rate of serious side-effects here are so small as to have no bearing whatsoever on current hospitalisation numbers.
Who you know is completely irrelevant in the context.
Partially vaccinated people make up 5% of ICU admissions. This number will of course include some who suffered a secere reaction to the first dose, and many who chose not to take up the second dose even though they reported no side-effects.Leo, I know what I know and it is the truth. If you can definitely tell me the number of partially vaccinated people in ICU, I would be grateful and enlightened. Maybe, people do not report side effects to HPRA or are unaware that this facility exists.
Can you re-word that?That said, 63% unvaccinated, 37% one vax, 29% breakthrough infection. That gives 66% in ICU , partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated and 63% unvaccinated. This was out of 589 people admitted to ICU.
Brendan, many unvaccinated people may have serious underlying conditions and maybe can't take the vaccine or have been advised not to do so, many may have had one vaccine and because of serious side effects, were advised not to take the second dose, they are classed as unvaccinated too. We do not know why , the people in ICU are not vaccinated.
Since when is being an idiot an ideology?@deanne, Brendan is referring to a cohort of people who remain unvaccinated by choice, either because of an ideological notion or no reason at all.
Ideologies that reject fact are a bad idea.I was being diplomatic.
Some "ideologies" are based on ignorance.
Yes, Leo, practically the same % in ICU between April 2021 and November 2021 were as follows,i.e. 63% were unvaccinated... ...37% + 29% had one vaccine or doubled vaccinated = 66%. It's even stevensCan you re-word that?
Eh percentages are meant to add to 100.Yes, Leo, practically the same % in ICU between April 2021 and November 2021 were as follows,i.e. 63% were unvaccinated... ...37% + 29% had one vaccine or doubled vaccinated = 66%. It's even stevens
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