All the council want to do is get a troublesome tenant to be trouble for a landlord instead of for them. They will lie and stonewall you until that is done. Once that is done the tenant is forever your problem and they will have nothing to do with any issues.
Who would be a landlord?
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And the one month's rent maximum deposit you are now limited to won't cover the damage, let alone the unpaid rent.
If this has been brought up at a Council meeting, it must be very common behaviour.
The tenants know that the landlords can do nothing here. The Council won't help and the RTB will tell the landlord to get lost.
The mick is being extracted on an unprecedented level. You almost get the feeling the lot of them are laughing themselves silly.
Property rights are being eroded and eroded in a manner I find unbelievable.
The remedy is a challenge against the state. IPOA are the ones who should be doing this. Not surprised though, they did nothing when Lenny jnr cancelled the section 23.
This will continue until its challenged, had I the resources I would do ot my self though not much in the way of succour from Michael McD
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Michael McDowell argues that Ireland’s constitution does not unduly restrict property rights or prevent the state from tackling housing and infrastructure. Instead, he believes that bureaucratic paralysis, planning regulations, and judicial reviews are the primary obstacles to development, and that property rights must be balanced with the common good. [1, 2, 3, 4]
McDowell’s specific perspectives include:
Property rights are being eroded and eroded in a manner I find unbelievable.
The remedy is a challenge against the state. IPOA are the ones who should be doing this. Not surprised though, they did nothing when Lenny jnr cancelled the section 23.
This will continue until its challenged, had I the resources I would do ot my self though not much in the way of succour from Michael McD
From AI Claude
Michael McDowell argues that Ireland’s constitution does not unduly restrict property rights or prevent the state from tackling housing and infrastructure. Instead, he believes that bureaucratic paralysis, planning regulations, and judicial reviews are the primary obstacles to development, and that property rights must be balanced with the common good. [1, 2, 3, 4]
McDowell’s specific perspectives include:
- Tackling Dereliction: He asserts there is no constitutional impediment to aggressively tackling urban dereliction. He believes property owners do not have a right to let scarce urban land sit in decay and that the state already has the powers necessary to intervene. [1]
- Reforming the Planning System: McDowell views laws like the Planning and Development Act and the Office of the Planning Regulator as major impediments to delivery, arguing they make the system overly preventive rather than enabling. He has criticized how regulatory bodies and excessive judicial reviews "chip away at public confidence" by delaying much-needed projects. [1, 2]
- Private Landlords and Common Good: While warning against treating private property rights as absolute, he has criticized state policies that "turn their guns" on private landlords. He has argued that treating them poorly forces single-property owners out of the market and exacerbates the housing crisis. [1, 2, 3]
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It now seems that mandatory inspections for hidden mould may be introduced. It seems that they are talking about a situation where mould is present but invisible - can that actually happen? How would a landlord deal with a finding that there is invisible mould in the property? This was discussed at the Oireachtas Committee on Public Petitions https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/joint_committee_on_public_petitions_and_the_ombudsmen/2026-06-23/4/ (here)
Some samples of what was said
The next petition, P00078/25, submitted by Ms Jennifer Williams, relates to mandatory mould inspections, air quality certification and fair rent standards in rental housing. We discussed this in private session. It concerns not just the presence of mould that can be seen but also a mandatory inspection regime to find cases where there might be mould and where it may be having a detrimental impact on renters of the property in question, without their even knowing it and, in some cases, without the landlord knowing it. Mould can be present without there necessarily being massive evidence of it.
I support the Cathaoirleach's proposal. We know there are unscrupulous landlords who do no more than give a place a clean and a lick of paint before getting it rented out again. We need to look into that.
We are in agreement on the need to move the issue forward. The mandatory inspection part is important because it would help to find mould even when it cannot be seen. The impact on people's health is the same regardless of whether it can be seen. The issue relates to building standards and quality. It is an issue that is worth our while to pursue. I propose that we forward the correspondence to the Department and await its response. On the basis of that response, we will formulate our own plan. Is that agreed? Agreed.
Some samples of what was said
The next petition, P00078/25, submitted by Ms Jennifer Williams, relates to mandatory mould inspections, air quality certification and fair rent standards in rental housing. We discussed this in private session. It concerns not just the presence of mould that can be seen but also a mandatory inspection regime to find cases where there might be mould and where it may be having a detrimental impact on renters of the property in question, without their even knowing it and, in some cases, without the landlord knowing it. Mould can be present without there necessarily being massive evidence of it.
I support the Cathaoirleach's proposal. We know there are unscrupulous landlords who do no more than give a place a clean and a lick of paint before getting it rented out again. We need to look into that.
We are in agreement on the need to move the issue forward. The mandatory inspection part is important because it would help to find mould even when it cannot be seen. The impact on people's health is the same regardless of whether it can be seen. The issue relates to building standards and quality. It is an issue that is worth our while to pursue. I propose that we forward the correspondence to the Department and await its response. On the basis of that response, we will formulate our own plan. Is that agreed? Agreed.
What next.... checking the sofa for dust mites?
I have to admit that I am an unscrupulous landlord. Between tenancies, I'd only get the place professionally cleaned and make sure everythng was working. If it needed it, I'd repaint. But I never called in specialists to hunt for invisible mould. Per the Committee I'm unscrupulous for not doing that.
I looked it up and it seems mould can be 'invisible' alright if it is behind wallpaper, pipes and ducts, under floors or in wall cavities. So presumably, the inspection would involve these being opened up every year or so to check for the mould.
I looked it up and it seems mould can be 'invisible' alright if it is behind wallpaper, pipes and ducts, under floors or in wall cavities. So presumably, the inspection would involve these being opened up every year or so to check for the mould.
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So, they want to find cases where mould might be present. Landlords need to have a 0% probability of mould? A 10% chance of mould, even if there is, in fact, no mould, would get them penalized?
He uses "might" and then "may", two conditionals, so it does look like those are his thoughts.
"look over there!"
"Our county council knowingly put my parents, both with COPD and other serious health issues, into a mouldy house. Last week, it took 4 minutes of aggressive CPR to bring my dad back to life in the A&E. Long read.
Two years ago my parents who are in their seventies got a small place after being on the list for a decade. The council had painted over the black mould on the walls. Within a couple of months the mould came through in every room but one. In some rooms, including their bedroom, condensation streams down the walls. My mam started buying dehumidifier bags every week as they fill up so quickly, has never dried clothes in the house, and keeps all the windows open."
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2 thinks struck
- that the council could not care less what type of housing they use
- one person asked about COPD, which I believe is linked to smoking, the mould sounds horrendous, but the underlying problem is not that.
Who would be a landlord with this going on
According to Mary Conway on LinkedIn, landlords have had vacant properties spray painted and bins burned.
A selection of some of the lyrics
“This song is an ancient one, I wish that I could say. But greedy little landlords never really went away."
“No landlords here in Ireland is the song that I will sing. Run them out or burn them out, whatever is your thing.”
According to Mary Conway on LinkedIn, landlords have had vacant properties spray painted and bins burned.
A selection of some of the lyrics
“This song is an ancient one, I wish that I could say. But greedy little landlords never really went away."
“No landlords here in Ireland is the song that I will sing. Run them out or burn them out, whatever is your thing.”
the burning out is not that ancient, and the people responsible for most of it went on to set up two political parties can you name them,
the have been to rehab but I think it is wearing off at this stage me think,
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I'm stumped! Please do reveal who these two political parties are?the burning out is not that ancient, and the people responsible for most of it went on to set up two political parties can you name them,
Well, we'll have to leave it at that so.
Hint
Most possibly all burned down between 1919 and 1923 so the must have been formed after that,
quite a lot were targeted burned down in the Civil war of 1922-23 any help,
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If the band were referring to an ethnic group in their song, it would be hate speech.
Whiile there are undoubtedlty and unfortunately damp flats and rising rents, the songwriter is buying into the narrative promoted by certain left wing / populist political groups that a "landlord class" is responsible, neatly exploiting folk memories from the famine times and its aftermath.
There is no "landlord class" today, and the burning of "big houses" in Ireland a century ago is a shameful episode in our history.
I wonder how the band - who appear to have Irish ancestry but English accents and live in England - expect the housing crisis in Ireland is going to be solved by runnning out and burning out the very landlords who are providing the accomodation. Government policy is explicity dependent on private providers. It all strikes me as extremely naive and counterproductive.
Have a look at the new laws/rules, Take a half hour and look at the old laws passed over a century ago and you will find the new laws are almost a carbon copy of the old Irish landlord laws passed in the House Of Commons to part Irish landlords from their property,
It is worth noting the problem Private Irish landlords face today are the result of right wing policies,
Correct, and this is combined with an exhortation to burn landlords out of their own family homes, even presumably if young children were present.
Nothing from the RTB about this, but if the shoe was on the other foot and the IPOA made a statement that certain types of tenants were dodgy, there would be uproar from the RTB and the politicians as well.
All sorts of people are landlords, Mary Conway for example seems to be a retired nurse, hardly the typical representative of a rich, ruling class.
But the new Irish Government laws/rules made by the Oireachtas are based around the laws passed in the House Of Commons to encourage landlords to give up their property to people who had no property,
that is correct and the point I am trying to make is we need to be shouting from the roof tops how unfair the are,
Bringing the song into the discussion on the new laws /rules is a waste of landlords time, I never come across any bad feeling towards Good Landlords I don't believe their is any bad feeling towards the Mary Conway or the Paddy Conway of this world a lot of the new landlords around where I come from are admired,
Most people have friends who are landlords and do not realise the new laws are so anti Landlord,
Rent controls not happening in England now fat chance of this happening in Ireland , I haven't seen any landlords posters putting pressure on our Government just winging and blaming everybody and anybody but who the should hold responsible,
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What do you propose landlords do, most landlords on here are just small landlords who feel powerless on their own to do anything, where would you start, other than selling up?
Arent politicians supposed to work for the people, and do whats best for them? All the rules are anti-landlord and making life difficult for them, but they aint helping tenants either.. they are making the crisis worse.
Short term laws that seem to portray doing something positive to gain votes, but in the long term making crisis worse..