"The one million suckers who are paying for bailout have taken enough"

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I still hold that 188 is very far from big money to stay on welfare.
(Respectfully suggest trying to live on it for the more strident posters wanting reduction.)

I don,t see the mentioned extras as a huge issue.
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What I continue to see is a lack of leadership in Government.
a. Government should ,Stop running with the latest (big-wow) eg how in Gods name has water become such an issue?its peanuts in the scheme of things.
b. If we have 90% employment ,where are all these freeloaders ? @ 90 % employment+ 5% twix jobs , means there is a maximum of 1 in 20 on welfare .


Of course we are going to have leg-lifters , surely it s Government Leadership to sort these out and stop pandering to self-opinionated unrepresentative groups such as (the poor Marys) or on the other side ( legal profession).

It is the lack of leadership fuelled by short term thinking that really needs to be sorted.
{the million suckers} voted these people in ,and no harm, but ye suckers have over the years got what ye have voted for.
So as Enda might say stop (whinging folks) !!
 
Exactly...it's not the basic €188 per week but all the add-ons that make it such a lucrative honey pot.

And I believe that we will go the UK route and introduce a cap on the amount of benefits any 1 family/individual can get. We usually follow their lead a few years down the line.

Anyone know the answer to this? When unemployment rates are talked about in the paper etc , are those on disability excluded from the calcs?
Is disability the 'golden ticket' in SW terms?
 
blueband said:
or better still...how about don't even give them the 80euro, then lets see in a few years what sort of a society we have created ...
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You would create a society where people have to work and can't sit at home and expect hand outs , with rent allowance medical cards dole I seriously doubt the person on an average wage is that much better off than someone on all the benefits .

I've asked people on social welfare did they want to work for me cash in hand on a Saturday offered them 50 quid for a few hours work going to bookmakers and they never do it , can't be that stuck , majority are just wasters .
 
Gerry Canning said:
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b. If we have 90% employment ,where are all these freeloaders ? @ 90 % employment+ 5% twix jobs , means there is a maximum of 1 in 20 on welfare .
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Note that half of the population are recipients or beneficiaries of weekly welfare payments.

A more interesting figure would be what % of the 18-66 population are on welfare - I don't have that to hand.

Also note that, as referred to earlier, we have by far the highest amount of people living in households that experience VLWI, very low work intensity.

We are at 23% of households, next are Greece and Spain at is about 16%.
 
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Delboy said:
Anyone know the answer to this? When unemployment rates are talked about in the paper etc , are those on disability excluded from the calcs?
Is disability the 'golden ticket' in SW terms?
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http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Annual-SWS-Statistical-Information-Report-2014.aspx

All data here.

2014 data summary:
http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Social-Stats-AR-2014-SectionA.pdf

"There were 1,440,876 people were in receipt of a weekly Social Welfare Payment at the end of 2014. As these payments included increases in respect of 194,190 Qualified Adults and 473,013 children, along with Family Income Supplement payments made in respect of 111,583 children, there were over 2,219,600 beneficiaries in all."
 
Maybe you could try offering them a real job with proper wages......you might get a different response .
 
Table A8: Number of Recipients and Beneficiaries of Weekly Social Welfare Payments, 2005 to 2014

Year Recipients(1) Beneficiaries(1) Population(2) Recipients as a % of population Beneficiaries as a % of population

2005 976,613 1,469,106 4,133,800 23.6% 35.5%

2006 1,003,517 1,506,824 4,232,900 23.7% 35.6%

2007 1,060,327 1,577,463 4,375,800 24.2% 36.0%

2008 1,208,883 1,799,875 4,485,100 27.0% 40.1%

2009 1,379,206 2,076,256 4,533,400 30.4% 45.8%

2010 1,430,833 2,179,428 4,554,800 31.4% 47.8%

2011 1,467,129 2,248,284 4,574,900 32.1% 49.1%

2012 1,469,214 2,267,499 4,585,400 32.0% 49.5%

2013 1,467,918 2,273,003 4,593,100 32.0% 49.5%

2014 1,440,876 2,219,662 4,609,100 31.3% 48.2%

(1) There is an element of double counting due to recipients and beneficiaries being in receipt of concurrent payments
under various payments such as Carer’s, Domiciliary Care Allowance, Disablement Benefit etc.
(2) Sources: CSO
 
Protocol,

I assume your chart above is reproduced from one of the Eurostat databases. Which one?
 
See table A9 for the number of people of working age on income supports.

2005 = 293,000
2010 = 566,000
2014 = 446,000
 
blueband said:
Maybe you could try offering them a real job with proper wages......you might get a different response .
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I've said already a lad I know it wasn't worth his while taking 500€ a week after tax because of all the free handouts he gets already.

If I was struggling I'd do anything and be delighted with a few quid cash in hand on a Saturday , welfare is too much so they ain't struggling .
 
To get back to the first post, does Charlie Weston or anyone else have statistical information regarding what socio-economic groups paid their water charges and what groups did not?
 
Hi Protocol

Thanks posting that data.

I knew that social transfers in Ireland were unusually impactful in terms of addressing at-risk-of-poverty rates but I hadn't realised that we were such outliers in terms of the numbers living in households with very low work intensity.
 
Protocol,

I think the Eurostat data in the chart you posted is mostly based on SILC surveys. Would you agree?
 
Delboy said:
And I believe that we will go the UK route and introduce a cap on the amount of benefits any 1 family/individual can get.
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I see absolutely no move in this direction in Ireland. The result of the election gives no indication of any support for such a move in Ireland.
 
Delboy said:
When unemployment rates are talked about in the paper etc , are those on disability excluded from the calcs?
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Yes.

The unemployment rate at just under 9% refers to 9% of the workforce. Those on disability are not measured as part of the workforce.
 
Gerry Canning said:
If we have 90% employment ,where are all these freeloaders ? @ 90 % employment+ 5% twix jobs , means there is a maximum of 1 in 20 on welfare .
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We have just over 60% employment.

From CSO re 2011

Labour Force Participation (Rate) 61.9
Unemployment (Rate) 19.0

The labour force participation rate is calculated by expressing the labour force (i.e. those at work, looking for first regular job and unemployed) as a percentage of the total aged 15 years and over.

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