I stand corrected as that 70% figure was from memory...a quick google tells me the actual figure is 61%.Over 70%...........???........At least 1 water bill paid.........those who cancelled DD's and accounts are still counted.........is this Pixie land?
One of better TD's in the Dail and who supports charges.
Their flat tax proposal was poorly presented. When challenged that this would mean higher taxes on the lower paid and lower taxes on the higher paid, they said that they would protect the lower paid though some complex income transfer system. They should have just come out straight - "Jobseekers Allowance is too high; tax rates on the lower paid are too low and tax rates on the higher paid are too high. Yes, our flat rate system will result in a widening of the tax base." That would have helped them.Brendan
Are you sure that Stephen Donnelly supports water charges? When they formed the Social Democrats, they three of them were asked if they had paid their water charges. His two co-founders said that they had not paid them. He said he didn't know whether he had paid them or not. Brendan
61% is the figure for those who paid a bill in Q3. I'm not saying any more because no stats exist.Dont include those who cancelled DDs, cancelled Accounts, Paid only 1 bill and those "Registered by Irish Water" without their acceptance and/or knowledge so maybe 49%
One of better TD's in the Dail and who supports charges.
Those that paid their charges will have to suck it up, not all marchers were from the Left, I went myself ( great days out by the way..;-) ), I would not be a grumpy guy, I can afford to pay but enough was enough, honestly I think the marchers were out complaining about many different items, for me in addition to the IW quango it was the raid to my pension pot, the FG lies per M Noonan saying there would be no more deductions and there were....that made him a Liar, fool me once...
Voters of a similar mindset to myself have spoken, if the message fails to get through we will speak again at the next election, the war is over folks, get over it, Irish Water is dead and nobody will carry the can for its demise, a demise that was inevitable the way it was constructed and managed.
Anyone know why we are at 23% of households reliant totally on State benefits while the UK/Belgium are at 13%, the closest to us in the EU?
And Ireland with 1 of the youngest populations in Western Europe.
I have a relation who had a severe illness about 15 years ago and had to give up work. She applied for and was granted disability benefit and a medical card. She recovered fully from the illness and has been fit to work for the past 14 years. However she remains in receipt of the disability benefit and has no interest in returning to work.It's probably because we have nearly the highest social welfare rates in Europe.
Just because someone dose not march that dose mean that they are not protesting, many people choose to wait until the election and then use their vote as a protest...'a lot' of the silent majority didn't march. So thats not true.
At most, 100k marched on the biggest day. The population is close to 5m. Over 70% have paid at least 1 of their water bills thus far.
I agree there is no party out there for those working, saving, buying a house etc. It's all pandering to the lowest common denominator.
And yet what are FG to do....they got hammered in the election. People seem to have forgotten very quickly the trouble we were in just 5 years ago.
With regards to Social Welfare. We talk about the 'Scandinavian models' all the time....isn't it the case over there that if you lose your job, you get up to 75% of your salary for X period of time.
Here as mentioned above, your treated no different than the fella who's never got out of bed before mid-day in his life
BTW I am not in any way whatsoever against genuine cases getting well looked after
.........................................................Social welfare rates are disgracefully high , I know many people who don't work and are no worse off than me , still have cars laptops broadband iPhones sky sports , there is just a disgusting amount of people who freeload and don't contribute anything in tax .
Fair dues to you Gerry! From reading your posts you are in agreement with a proper SW system to help those in genuine need but unlike many so called Socialist parties have no interest in bailing out those who are merely manipulating the system to their own end. This is broadly what gives Socialism a bad name. Are there any genuine socialist out there who will not put up with the malingerers and others who see the rest of us as having an obligation to continually finance their lifestyle without an equal obligation on themselves to find gainful employment where that is possible?If they are genuinely no worse off than you ,then you are being abused by your employment.
Any numbers that {freeload} are thieves and report them.
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I don,t think its that the rates on Social are {disgracefully high} , it is that Welfare is not policed agressively enough..
SW rates do not afford a (high) lifestyle. I can,t see people on 188 per week affording many luxuries.(having @ times been in that position)
If they can afford luxuries then they have other hidden income.
If they are genuinely no worse off than you ,then you are being abused by your employment.
Any numbers that {freeload} are thieves and report them.
It's not the single person basic rate that the big problem - it's all the extras - rent allowance, dependent add-ons, medical card, bonuses, fuel allowances etc. We should have a cap like they introduced in the UK where a family have a ceiling on the amount of benefits they can receive so even a lowish paying job would leave them better off financially.I don,t think its that the rates on Social are {disgracefully high} , it is that Welfare is not policed agressively enough..
SW rates do not afford a (high) lifestyle. I can,t see people on 188 per week affording many luxuries.(having @ times been in that position)
If they can afford luxuries then they have other hidden income.
or better still...how about don't even give them the 80euro, then lets see in a few years what sort of a society we have created ...A friend of mine was offered a job 500€ a week take home pay , he ran the numbers and it wasn't worth his while going back to work between medical cards dole etc and would then have to pay child care. 188 is too high any amount that lets people refuse a job is too high , give them 80€ a week or less , they'll soon get out and get a job , there's jobs there but people don't want to take them and lose al the benefits .
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