The Housing Crisis - What actions would you take to improve things?

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If he needs a bed to sleep in, that's one more on the demand side than there was the day before he arrived. The supply remains unchanged.

So it's not illogical.

What is illogical is the claim that population movements have no impact on housing shortages and surpluses.
 
TomEdison said:
It's a very, very small fraction of Ireland's housing stock that is not served at all by roads, power, sewage or public water supply
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About one in six Irish dwellings relies on group water schemes or private well.

There are about a half a million septic tanks.

This is not a small fraction!
 
Dr Strangelove said:
About one in six Irish dwellings relies on group water schemes or private well.

There are about a half a million septic tanks.

This is not a small fraction!
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Group water schemes are heavily subsidised and a result of central planning.

Septic Tanks are also a result of central planning in that they have to be registered and are subject to inspection. If they are found to be faulty the repair of said tanks is subsidised to the tune of 85% to a maximum of €12,000.
 
T McGibney said:
What is illogical is the claim that population movements have no impact on housing shortages and surpluses.
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Yes, that would be illogical.

T McGibney said:
If he needs a bed to sleep in, that's one more on the demand side than there was the day before he arrived. The supply remains unchanged.
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Once he starts building then the supply increases. What criteria are you using to determine what the impact of population movement will have on housing stock? If next week we granted work visas to 10,000 skilled tradesmen to fill the labour shortage in the construction sector would you be against it on the grounds that it would have a negative short term impact on housing availability?
 
Purple said:
Once he starts building then the supply increases.
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Not if his activity displaces that of a local competitor. If the bricklayer moves from say underpopulated Swanlinbar to overpopulated Galway city, and who underbids a local bricklayer in Galway city who then has to sign on the dole, the population of Galway city has risen by one, the number of housing beds available in the city remains static and does the number of active bricklayers.

Again: population movements have a profound effect on demand for housing.
 
T McGibney said:
Not if his activity displaces that of a local competitor. If the bricklayer moves from say underpopulated Swanlinbar to overpopulated Galway city, and who underbids a local bricklayer in Galway city who then has to sign on the dole, the population of Galway city has risen by one, the number of housing beds available in the city remains static and does the number of active bricklayers.

Again: population movements have a profound effect on demand for housing.
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Grand so. We'll leave it there.
 
T McGibney said:
I can't imagine the €12,000 grant is generally applicable, and not eg a special measure for areas of special environmental sensitivity.

Are you sure or just googling?
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If you read the link it gives all the information.
 
Purple said:
While I don't think the data is available to answer your question accurately it is broadly accurate to say that immigrants are more likely to work than Irish people since they are more likely to be of working age (few pensioners immigrate to rich countries) and so they are increasing the amount of economic output per capita.
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There's always stats!

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NEW DATA: Non-nationals account for 36% of Jobseekers Allowance payments - Gript

MATT TREACY: Most striking of all, is that non-nationals account for 36% of those in receipt of Jobseekers Allowance (for those in long-term unemployment) with numbers seeing an 90% rise from 2019 and 2023.
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Discussed recently on Newstalk..your septic tank has to be inspected by the council and if it fails there’s a grant of up to 12k. Very small number of inspections per year….thought he said around 600..caveat you can’t request the council to inspect your tank and without a failed inspection, no grant available.no financial incentive to repair your faulty tank other than for environmental or health concerns.
 
Dr Strangelove said:
bout one in six Irish dwellings relies on group water schemes or private well.

There are about a half a million septic tanks.

This is not a small fraction!
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My "small fraction" refers to houses that not served at all by roads, power, sewage or public water supply. Granted that there are a signficant number of houses with private wells and septic tanks, but vanishingly few of them are without a public power supply and are also unserved by public roads. My point stands; central planning is intrinsic to any modern, functional housing market.
 
I think a major shift to local authority driven development vs developer driven is needed.

Right now developers influence the zoning and then they choose when they are ready to develop. This leads to infrastructure and supporting services such as schools playing catch up. It also leads to siloed designs where two estates side by side don’t connect internally etc.

There would need to be a carrot and a stick approach to development and that stick would be land value taxes, what we have with far fewer exemptions.
 
faketales said:
I think a major shift to local authority driven development vs developer driven is needed.
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I can't believe that 15 years into a housing crisis, now a disaster, and the parallel disaster of the children's hospital, that people still think that we can rely on the State to replace the property developers who were legislated out of business post-2009.
 
T McGibney said:
State to replace the property developers
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I’m not advocating state or local authority construction more that they have a far more active role in driving what and where housing is built.

Current approach of zone land and wait leads to infrastructure and service problems.
 
Bluefin said:
Discussed recently on Newstalk..your septic tank has to be inspected by the council and if it fails there’s a grant of up to 12k. Very small number of inspections per year….thought he said around 600..caveat you can’t request the council to inspect your tank and without a failed inspection, no grant available.no financial incentive to repair your faulty tank other than for environmental or health concerns.
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Local authorities target Septic Tanks for inspection which are near well water and/or drinking water and in areas there there is a potential major environmental impact. They also select tanks which they think are faulty. In 2024 they inspected 1,390 tanks. Over half of them failed inspection.
 
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