The Bishops and the Covid regulations

Leo said:
Do you believe thousands of such events are happening indoors across the country with large gatherings of people who don't usually socialise together are mixing?
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But with this logic you would (for example) cancel the public holiday on 25 and 26 December too, no?
 
Leo said:
I was speaking to a friend lately who is hopeful that ceremonies will not proceed for some time yet. As many others, they feel obliged to have the big party in the house because that's what the child and the extended families expect
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We're in that boat and not having the ceremony is a big blessing ;) (pardon the pun!)
 
NoRegretsCoyote said:
But with this logic you would (for example) cancel the public holiday on 25 and 26 December too, no?
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December is a long way away, I'm certainly not going to predict what state we'll be in then and the Government obviously can't plan that far ahead. We know that the relaxatation of restrictions last December led to us going from the lowest infection rate across Europe to having the highest rate in the world.
 
Leo said:
Do you believe thousands of such events are happening indoors across the country with large gatherings of people who don't usually socialise together are mixing?


I was speaking to a friend lately who is hopeful that ceremonies will not proceed for some time yet. As many others, they feel obliged to have the big party in the house because that's what the child and the extended families expect, and a number of his in-laws have refused to be vaccinated. He doesn't want them putting other relatives at risk but feels trapped as not inviting them would lead to grief.
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yes, after all there were 2 events this weekend with 18000 people at them in Croke Park, how many thousands were out welcoming Kellie Harrington home yesterday? How many pubs are behaving like the Healy Rae's? (allegedly !)

as for the party, maybe this will be a bit like weddings, I know 3 couples who were delighted with the restrictions for the very simple reason they didn't have to invite idiot relatives. But if you are stupid enough to invite anti-vaxers then you need to be prepared to deal with the consequences. That's not the churches fault and the church is focussed on the cermony, not what people do elsewhere which is not in their control
 
Leo said:
Croke Park is an indoor venue???
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I never said it was an indoor venue but there would be mass congregation of people (no pun intended) in the areas behind the stand before, during and after the game. Imagine the rush to the loos after Kilkenny scored that last minute goal.
 
Peanuts20 said:
I never said it was an indoor venue but there would be mass congregation of people (no pun intended) in the areas behind the stand before, during and after the game. Imagine the rush to the loos after Kilkenny scored that last minute goal.
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Those areas are all open and very well ventilated, much different risk profile than a private home or any indoor venue.
 
Peanuts20 said:
so is the bouncy castle and the kids running around the back garden,
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True, but you do tend to have a lot more physical contact with others in a bouncy castle than you would behind the stands in Croke Park!
 
@Leo from your posts you are very risk adverse with regard to covid, you do not want religious ceremonies to start again because of the potential for socializing afterwards, yet you are defending the decision to allow 40000 spectators in to see the all Ireland's surely this is inconsistent ? This is the biggest crowd gathering allowed for anything nobody else is being allowed this. Why are you in favour of such large crowd gatherings for gaa given your risk adverse approach towards everything else?
 
People will be coming from all over the world for the All Ireland final, we have posters on this site coming back from Spain,

the real problem is a lazy accident-prone FF party leading the Government at present FF don't have the required ministers the only one to come out and try and explain is the Minister for Agriculture who happens to be FF third appointment to this post in as many months,

Michael must be on a pre early retirement course for the last few months There is no FF Minister to stand in for him and Leo is happy for all to see how incompetent FF are,
The mess is a failure to get the buy-in of all stakeholders due to a FF led Government with not enough leadership energy to appoint proper FF ministers who have the energy and leadership required to be in Government at this time,
 
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joe sod said:
@Leo from your posts you are very risk adverse with regard to covid, you do not want religious ceremonies to start again because of the potential for socializing afterwards, yet you are defending the decision to allow 40000 spectators in to see the all Ireland's surely this is inconsistent ? This is the biggest crowd gathering allowed for anything nobody else is being allowed this. Why are you in favour of such large crowd gatherings for gaa given your risk adverse approach towards everything else?
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Again, that's a failing in your understanding. You're judging my risk appetite based on my clarifying what's in government statements or policy. I never said I didn't want religious ceremonies.

If you actually read what I said, I simply pointed out that lots of people socialising indoors (after a ceremony or whatever) carries a very different risk profile to attending a game in Croke Park, surely we all understand that at this point? What happened our numbers last Christmas shows what happens when families meet up more than usual.
 
We may agree or disagree with the Public Health advice but for an organisation with such bad track record of ignoring the law to flagrantly disregard said advice is both amazing and at the same time not surprising.
 
Purple said:
We may agree or disagree with the Public Health advice but for an organisation with such bad track record of ignoring the law to flagrantly disregard said advice is both amazing and at the same time not surprising.
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This addresses the point of my original post.

While obviously I understand what you mean by 'a track record of ignoring the law' the Church has always positioned itself as a pilar of the establishment in public , and this has allowed it to do what it likes behind the scenes.

The current situation of bishops permitting ceremonies in defiance of public health guidelines is the only instance of the Church 'flagrantly' at odds with the establishment I can think of.

It's not a strategy based on strength or even wisdom. Cardinal Cullen or John Charles McQuaid were not just powerful, they were very capable and backed up by a great huge talent pool. The current Bishops are minnows by comparison.
 
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