Taking need for consent too far

Having said all of the above I was thinking back to Monica Lewinsky and how utterly appallingly she was treated by the media, when the most powerful man in the world had sex with a 22 year old intern who was more than young enough to be his daughter.

Maybe a consent conversation should have happened there instead of the victim being the object of ridicule and disgusting jokes for more than a decade.

Maybe we are a bit too woke but maybe that’s a hell of a lot better than the way things were. Just think about how that incident would be seen now.
 
My eldest grandchild is diagnosed as neurodivergent and I've always asked if a hug or a kiss is OK - that's if I want to initiate the exchange. She is free to initiate any spontaneous hugs or cheek-kisses as she sees fit and as suits her current headspace; no problems, each of us understands the other, and a fist-bump or palm-to-palm slap is never an issue - I simply extend the paw. Next in line is 3-year-old Trouble-the-House, who while always willing to have the bit of craic (she's a riot at times), close encounters of any kind are purely at her discretion; if you have to ask it ain't gonna happen and may cause a melt-down. Last but not by any means least is our thankfully thriving Premie-Baby who, once attached to you, won't want to let go, ever.

I haven't seen the ad, but for me, being clear on the child's needs is paramount and as above, I tend to let them set the rules at any meeting or departure. This is so simple, why do we need it spelled out by anyone, least of all the apparently ham-fisted and cringe-worthy effort by Catholic Church?
 
Eye-contact is probably more intimate, sensual and more common than hugs or cheek kisses. Because its not physical it is a lot more subtle and can be a lot more uncomfortable or intimidating.

For the craic though I'd love to see an extended version of the same add made again except under the banner "not everybody wants eye-contact"!
 
There was nothing wrong with the advert itself - the issue was that it was created by The Dublin Rape Crisis Center, thus the context changes compared to a group like ALONE creating it.

By it being an advert of the Rape Crisis Center it insinuates that grandparents are the type of person that would sexually assault you as support of sexual abuse is the primary element of the DRCC.

For that reason, it showed very poor judgement and rightfully withdrawn.


An example of similar context is an employer saying a young employee is pretty versus a similar age colleague saying the person is pretty. Identical statements, but one is wrong and not tolerated, and the other absolutely fine.
 
This thread should be renamed Last of the Summer Whine!

Learning that you can say no, including to someone close to you, and have that decision respected is an important foundation for asserting boundaries later in life. The approach we all grew up with of teaching children to obey adults, be polite, and tolerate unwanted physical contact has hardly been an unqualified success in protecting us from abuse.

Have people not noticed that is much less common nowadays to hear parents commanding their kids to give people hugs and kisses? They might ask, "Would you like to say goodbye to Uncle Arbitron?" Nine times out of ten, the child offers a hug, which is lovely, smiles all around. Occasionally they just give a wave or ignore me altogether. Somehow, despite those humiliating rejections, I struggle on...

The coded language about "agendas" and "attacking" the Irish family is bizarre. I didn't realise that traditional family values included demanding physical affection from children. This is similar territory to the grandparents who get into a strop when told not to kiss a baby. Even when they are told that it's to prevent the child from getting cold sores which in newborns can cause brain swelling and death, they still act like they are being punished. Even though it's about the child's welfare, not the feelings of the alleged grown-ups, these grandparents make themselves into victims.

Hugging your grandchild (or your own child) is not a human right. If they want a hug or a kiss they can initiate it. But if you ask for one they should be allowed to decline. If a grown-up is so desperate for physical affection, find a willing adult partner that you're not related to. It's not a child's responsibility to meet anyone's emotional needs.
 
Gosh, that's some take.
If you feel that adults have a right to force a child to hug or kiss them against that child's will then please do share the reasons.

Behind these woke campaigns lies a desire to weaken families.
Yes, and step 1 is to remind people that children have feelings and may not want adults touching them? Scandalous.

Not sure what a fake quote from a communist has to do with anything.
 
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