Taking need for consent too far

I just watched the ad.

Horror flash-backs of travelling from Dublin to Kerry to visit me ol' 80yr granny in the 1970's (god love her, RIP) during summer holidays and she slapping some crinkly, crackly, lips on my angelic, purified cheek as a teenager.

In fairness, aside from all the fond memories I hold of her she would always slip me a IR£5 punt on the departure. ;)

Wait!! :eek:

Was I being traffiked as a child for unconsensual intimate adult pleasure?? o_O

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In fairness to RCC and all the good work they do

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....a bad day at the office it seems, hopefully news today and gone tomorrow.
 
The voice sounds familar from other ads. Had he no cop on to stop and think ?

But there is worse being presented to young children in schools and public libraries Much worse.
 
More cringey nanny state interference. These types must have nothing better to do than coming up with ways to justify their ridiculous employment.
Stick to the knitting.
 
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I often wonder if the Irish public - i.e. the ordinary folk going about their daily business realise just how extensive and all-embracing the ideological capture is within our public institutions, media and especially government. It’s deeply worrying – and the fact that most of it is Government-funded makes it all the more alarming.

(Any of you who work in the public sector, especially the Civil Service will know exactly what I mean. The propaganda on a range of these issues is relentless.)

This campaign video has received world-wide attention, all of it negative and mocking. It’s being widely viewed as yet another example of how Ireland has become the “woke” capital of the world.

But there's a more serious, intentionally subtle undertone to all of this - and it's the constant attacking and demeaning of anything that resembles a traditional Irish family or way of life.

This is now the third or fourth such issue in the last year or so where NGO's and state bodies have had to withdraw books, cancel conferences/seminars and media campaigns in the face of understandable public backlash. (I look forward to the questioning of embarrassed Ministers by the tiny handful of journalists who dare to challenge this insanity.)
 
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But how could anybody dream up that ad?

Without wanting to re-run my video collection of the Rockford files for inspiration I think the answer to that may be in the DRCC statement.

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It sounds like to me that this originated from a handful of workshops where a bunch of teenagers were being asked to talk of a matters of sexual nature and one of those matters was - when have you ever felt uncomfortable in displays of affection or intimacy?
To which, several prepubescent boys and girls answered kisses/hugs from old people.
More so in a 'cringe' way than a threatening way.

Unfortunately one of the volunteers of DCRR has a brother or sister doing some media course in film/tv in college and thought to bring them along with a view to making short on the responses as ad for TV - great for the CV, and €500 for a few days work is not to be sniffed at for a college student!

That's my best guess of how anybody would dream up that ad - kids, volunteers, low-budget!
 
The climax of the ad shows the grandparents giving heavy kisses to the kids drawing a disgusting analogy with actual rape.
While I do totally agree with you here that the ad was unsuitable for the message it was trying to portray
The message itself is still an important one from my point of view as someone who doesn't appreciate unwarranted physical contact

To me a handshake is to say hello or goodbye to an acquaintance you don't see on a regular basis or to congratulate or commiserate
A hug is reserved for a long goodbye or welcome back to a friend or close family member who you haven't seen or will see for a long time

My brother in-law and his wife are serial huggers and despite telling them many times they still want to start and end every meeting with a hug
The Covid years were great but soon after the hugging started again so I've taken a new form of rude defence
Any time they arrive or leave the house I don't get up out of the couch :)
 
I think it's really damaging to children and teenagers to attempt to try to create an environment where they never feel uncomfortable. The world is full of uncomfortable situations. How are children and young people ever going to cope with the real world if they have never experiences stressful or uncomfortable situations when they are young? We need to prepare them for the road ahead. There are bumps and dark places on the road. We should try to get rid of the monsters but we can't cosset them from reality and denying them the opportunity to learn coping mechanisms is a disastrous idea.


Being hugged by a crinkly-faced granny with a few of those bristly chin hairs is entirely different to sexual assault.

The new category of "sexual violence" is so broad ranging that it undermines the serious nature of sexual assault as it ranges from violent rape to "verbal, or non-verbal conduct of a sexual nature that violates a person's dignity". The latter is so subjective and nebulous as to be meaningless.


The same phrase should not be used to describe feeling uncomfortable because someone is looking at your breasts and being raped, because when a conversation starts and a women starts talking about sexual violence she can have a totally different set of criteria in mind than the man she is talking to who is rolling his eyes and thinks she is talking about someone looking at her bum in the supermarket.

Now the serious issue of consent, which to my daughters means not being raped or groped or pressurised by a partner to have sex, now includes being hugged by your grandparents. Cue the teenaged boys and young men rolling their eyes and being drawn into the Manosphere.

Bad and lose categorisations create an environment where two people can think they are having a discussion about the same thing when in fact they are talking about two different things. It is virtually impossible to find agreement of common ground in such circumstances.

As a "woke liberal", in the real sense of both words, I despair of this sort of thing.
 
There was nothing wrong with the ad. Will I be asking my grandchildren to allow me kiss them on the cheek - Definitely Not! Somebody here said "heavy kisses" - Come on !!!!!!!! - Get a grip on yourself. I repeat, there was nothing whatsoever wrong with the ad. Nanny State gone crazier as far as I'm concerned.

I'm just waiting for some poster to order me to tell what I've written to some child that has been abused.
 
The message itself is still an important one from my point of view as someone who doesn't appreciate unwarranted physical contact
My stepdaughter is autistic and doesn't like being hugged so people who know her don't hug her unless she initiates it. She also doesn't like loud noises. The world is full of loud noises and people are going to hug her as she goes through life. She'll have to learn to deal with both of these things and lots of other things.
 
I think it's really damaging to children and teenagers to attempt to try to create an environment where they never feel uncomfortable.
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Two long letters in the IT on the subject. Both highly supportive of the Ad, admittedly one from a professional in the sphere. The other letter seemed to think the Ad was aimed at children to teach them to say "No". A video of Big Ian or indeed Brendan O'Kelly (of Garvaghy Road notoriety) would have been more effective in that regard.
 
Most grandparents know their own grand children so know whether some want to hug or not. Surely no grandparents forces their grandchildren to hug. I have a three year old grandson and HE dictates whether I or his Nana get a hug or not. If he wants to , great and if not that's not a problem with us.
It was a badly thought out Ad , in my opinion.
 
I have a 3 year old grandson. When we part, whether at his place or ours, his parents tell him to give his granda and granny a hug. No consent sought from anyone :) He seems more than willing and of course we are also pleased.

Look, if you were reading a book on being a good granda (meaning wanted to be liked by your grand kids) it would recommend to go easy on the hugging routine and not to give socks for Christmas but for an Ad from the Rape Crisis Centre - still in shock.:eek:
 
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