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The current war in Sudan, which started in April last year, has killed between 40,000 and 150,000 people and displaced 10 million internally displaced and 2 million externally displaced. 6-10 million face starvation between now and 2027.
The spill over and disruption will be staggering:
  • Somalia and the countries bordering it have a combined population of 280 million.
  • It has a 800km border with the Red Sea and the conflict is already disrupting the flow of cargo through the Suez Canal (which transports one seventh of the worlds trade)
  • Over half the refugees in Calais are already Somalian and the flow of refugees into Europe from the region will grow massively.
  • If we think that such a flow of refugees causes social and economic problems here just think of what it does on a much larger scale in much poorer and less stable neighbouring countries. The genocide in tiny little Rwanda led to the biggest war since the Second World War and the deaths of over 5 million people.
  • The UAE are funding and supplying one side and Egypt and Iran are supplying the other with Russia playing both sides in its ongoing campaign to undermine the West. Where are the calls for boycotts of those countries?

I don't see too many Somalian flags flying here or news reports about the daily dead toll. We should be way more concerned about this conflict than what's happening in Gaza as it will have a far greater impact on us and cause the death and suffering of far more people.

How come we don't care?
 
Article in yesterdays Sunday times on it as well so it is getting some coverage.

How come we don't care (and I'm not saying I agree with all of this BTW)
  • We don't have "boots on the ground" like we have in the Lebanon and Israel/Gaza could and is spilling over there.
  • Probably a bit of latent racism, yet another African civil war being fought by despots and tinpot army dictators
  • Its not in Europe (like Ukraine)
  • It's further away
  • It's a 3rd world country
  • There is no clear way to fix it
 
Purple said:
The current war in Sudan, which started in April last year, has killed between 40,000 and 150,000 people and displaced 10 million internally displaced and 2 million externally displaced. 6-10 million face starvation between now and 2027.
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Firstly credit to Purple for bringing this up. It is almost invisible here.

You don't explain how civil war in Sudan is driving refugees from Somalia.
Purple said:
The UAE are funding and supplying one side and Egypt and Iran are supplying the other with Russia playing both sides in its ongoing campaign to undermine the West. Where are the calls for boycotts of those countries?

I don't see too many Somalian flags flying here or news reports about the daily dead toll. We should be way more concerned about this conflict than what's happening in Gaza as it will have a far greater impact on us and cause the death and suffering of far more people.

How come we don't care?
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In fairness to public opinion, we care more when our taxes and the taxes of countries we are closely connected with are being used to fund and arm slaughter.
 
cremeegg said:
Firstly credit to Purple for bringing this up. It is almost invisible here.
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Thanks
cremeegg said:
You don't explain how civil war in Sudan is driving refugees from Somalia.
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My typo. It should have said Sudan, not Somalia
cremeegg said:
In fairness to public opinion, we care more when our taxes and the taxes of countries we are closely connected with are being used to fund and arm slaughter.
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Where do you think Sudan gets it's arms?
 
cremeegg said:
The UAE, Egypt and Iran ?
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And Libya and Chad and the Central African Republic. All places that are awash with weapons from the US, Europe and Russia sent during previous and current conflicts and from anyone else who cares to from the Middle East via the Red Sea. They also have a significant domestic manufacturing capability.
 
It’s a top 3 of Ireland’s global security issues?

MM statement in October.

Statement by the Tánaiste on the situation in Sudan

www.gov.ie www.gov.ie

Spoke out against the most recent veto at the UNSC https://www.ireland.ie/en/un/newyor...chive/use-of-the-veto-the-situation-in-sudan/

It’s in our national statement to the UNGA last September and MM mentioned it personally during Irelands contribution to the UNSC the following day https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/14c2e-...ds-national-statement-at-un-general-assembly/

Joined EU arms embargo and sanctions.

At home, the committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence had a hearing on the 8th October https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oirea...s_and_defence/2024-10-08/debate/mul@/main.pdf
 
Meanwhile in Sudan:
A new Prime Minister has been appointed, although it's very doubtful that it will change anything. Rape and sexual violence against women and girls as young as 11 is endemic.

The death tole is impossible to accurately estimate but could be in excess of 150,000. The UN estimates that 14 million people have been displaces. The conflict is spilling over into South Sudan which is now teetering on the edge of Civil War. The Sudanese Government has cut off relations with UAE due to their support for the RSF, though they have failed to make UAE accountable for their actions.

Ireland has called for a boycott on the UAE and want to sanction their government and are supporting a case in the International Court of Justice against their leadership... oh wait, no, they're not Jews... actually we are doing nothing.
 
The position of SH and MM are not anti-semitic. They are purely populist. They sought to outflank SF in the run up to the GE, which they successfully achieved. If they had been ambivalent or balanced like the UK, SF would have trounced them.
It is a club which has about 95% populist support but it will not forgive them for the Lowry sell-out and it will not excuse their inevitable failure on housing. Basically, it's past its political sell by date in these parts.
 
@Purple I was having a spat with my sister, the Dowager of Jam, along these lines - asking her why she is not exercised by what is happening in Sudan. She retorted that that was a civil war between folk of equal claim to the country whilst Israel is an an occupation and displacement of the original inhabitants. I was not impressed by her riposte.
 
Duke of Marmalade said:
@Purple I was having a spat with my sister, the Dowager of Jam, along these lines - asking her why she is not exercised by what is happening in Sudan. She retorted that that was a civil war between folk of equal claim to the country whilst Israel is an an occupation and displacement of the original inhabitants. I was not impressed by her riposte.
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I hope you pointed out the factual inaccuracy of her position, and the futility of such arguments since, in nearly every case, it depends on from when you start measuring it.
 
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