As recently as December concerns were expressed over the Government’s ability to have a landmark auto-enrolment (AE) scheme in place in the second half of this year due Ms Humphreys’ department missing two of its most recent self-imposed deadlines.
The Department of Social Protection had said in mid-November that it planned to launch by the end of that month an official search for a company to build and run the crucial system for the plan.
And officials also said that draft enabling legislation, originally scheduled to be published before the Dáil’s summer recess, was expected to be published by the end of 2023.
And the fact that no State contributions had been budgeted for it in last October’s Budget had created fresh doubts about the latest deadline being met.
There's no hope of it being up and running this year. Looking back at the announcement 8 years ago of paternity pay, it took something like 9 months to get that in place, and all they had to do was update the systems they already had in place to make payments to mothers to now include fathers. I remember it was because my wife was a couple of months pregnant when the budget announcement was made, but I still didn't get paternity leave because Joan Burton's department couldn't implement it in time.Thanks for posting that article, I hadn't seen it in the news.
What do you mean when you say you couldn't make this up? Do you think they haven't a hope of having it up and running in 2024 or something else? Do you think it will happen in early 2025 then istead or do you think it will turn into another never ending delay upon delay and we'll still be waiting for it when we're in 2027.
Here's the RTE version of the article too if anyone wants to read:
rte.ie/news/business/2024/0201/1429870-putting-off-auto-enrolment-pension-scheme-not-an-option/
Even if introduced this year it is only at 3.5% all in and steadily builds up to 14% over 4 years, I think. So looks like people in the age group you refer to would be advised not to wait that long before providing for retirement.So what do folk that aren't old but not young do, risk losing another 1/2/3/4/5+ of years of a personal pension whilst living in hope that the AE comes into act in 2025 at the latest, or bite the bullet and start a personal pension and risk missing out on employer + state contributions.
It would be well worth waiting for, for the sake of a year, if you could open and contribute to a separate PRSA of your own alongside the AE scheme. No one seems to be able to say if this is possible or not? Has the AE scheme mentioned this, I believe the AE doesn't allow you to pay in extra contributions but surely they can't stop you opening a PRSA after you enrol in the AE, or could they?Even if introduced this year it is only at 3.5% all in and steadily builds up to 14% over 4 years, I think. So looks like people in the age group you refer to would be advised not to wait that long before providing for retirement.
No problem having other arrangements as well.It would be well worth waiting for, for the sake of a year, if you could open and contribute to a separate PRSA of your own alongside the AE scheme. No one seems to be able to say if this is possible or not? Has the AE scheme mentioned this, I believe the AE doesn't allow you to pay in extra contributions but surely they can't stop you opening a PRSA after you enrol in the AE, or could they?
Why are you waiting for a government contribution that's less than the tax relief currently offered?The government are a disgrace, they don't seem capable of delivering anything with any degree of efficiency whatsoever. All these delays and uncertainty are very stressful and costly to the likes of middle aged and older people in particular that currently don't have a pension.
I'm early 40's, no pension, but have been looking into starting my own personal one the last while but for the sake of a year my plan was to wait and join the AE to get the employer contributions and state contributions and then if allowed open my own separate PRSA/RAC and pay the max allowable for income relief into that for the tax. to make up for lost years and late starting. (Will this be allowed can anyone confirm?)
I won't currently get employer contributions from my employer, but plan to try and negotiate them into my salary deal in the future.
So what do folk that aren't old but not young do, risk losing another 1/2/3/4/5+ of years of a personal pension whilst living in hope that the AE comes into act in 2025 at the latest, or bite the bullet and start a personal pension and risk missing out on employer + state contributions.
Why are you waiting for a government contribution that's less than the tax relief currently offered?
They don't have a hope of having it up and running by 2024. The original plan was to have Revenue collect the money. But DSP in what can only be called vanity would not allow it. They wanted to show they had the in-house expertise to develop their own systems. Now it has been 'out sourced' to a yet unknown entity. Last I heard there were 3 people assigned full time to the project in Welfare. Leaving aside the legislative requirements, set up of the CPA, public and employer information etc. They have yet to start designing let alone creating the IT infrastructure. This is a multi step process and will need to be inplace before pension and payroll providers can even start work at their end. The powers that be think the IT end is something which can be bought as a package off the shelf.What do you mean when you say you couldn't make this up? Do you think they haven't a hope of having it up and running in 2024 or something else? Do you think it will happen in early 2025 then istead or do you think it will turn into another never ending delay upon delay and we'll still be waiting for it when we're in 2027.
If that’s true it’s hopeless.Last I heard there were 3 people assigned full time to the project in Welfare.
The Department of Social Protection said that it is on track to publish a draft legislation before Easter on its landmark auto-enrolment (AE) pension scheme, as it works through a shortlist of parties vying for a €150 million contract to develop and run the system over 10 years.
Sources said Indian IT company Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), which set up and runs a UK auto-enrolment system established over a decade ago, and US professional services firm Accenture are among shortlisted parties vying for the key contract.
It'll all be set up and running, when it will come to light that TCS have set up their IT systems using UK tax rules.Story today.
Story today.
Fixed now.Link doesn't work.
It’s not really. It’s just tax collection and asset management for now, with payments in future.It is like the Children's Hospital,
The payments will start within a few months of launch. People will retire early, die, take ill health retirement, etc, and the functionality won't be up and running because of assumptions like this.It’s not really. It’s just tax collection and asset management for now, with payments in future.
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