Should the government support a business damaged by fire?

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Well thankfully the people we elect from all parties and none do not share your views as I said their is a thousand reasons not to pay a blind bit of notice to people who think they know more than the Government in power,
I suspect their is a party who share the above views lurking around Ireland but never get elected,
 
galway said:
Well thankfully the people we elect from all parties and none do not share your views as I said their is a thousand reasons not to pay a blind bit of notice to people who think they know more than the Government in power,
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What view are you talking about and how are you correlating that to political party policy?
 
Govt is right to help businesses with flood damage as in most cases that is due to lack of govt action on flood defences and poor planning decisions.
A fire is different and there is no equivalent case to be made .
 
Leo said:
What view are you talking about and how are you correlating that to political party policy?
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No elected TD present or past or political party for that matter have came out and stated the do not agree with the support promised by the government in power to the business affected,
It stand to reason most taxpayers support the Government on this issue,
 
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Leo said:
Exactly, and any talk about the government stepping in here to support the businesses is only likely to delay any insurance payouts.
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For sure. Let the commercial settlements between businesses and insurers run their course, and if grant-aid or other Government assistance is required subsequently, let that take its place in the queue with the relevant department(s). And of course you and I will probably face an Increase in our premiums if we have similar insurances in place.

The unfortunate employees in the interim have social welfare benefits and perhaps income continuity insurance to draw on.

Let me rephrase my original question about fire-protection:- the entire site is gutted, wall-to-wall, roof gone, just girders left. If there was adequate fire protection - sprinklers, halon gas, or CO2 flooding in place, how could this have happened?
 
mathepac said:
The unfortunate employees in the interim have social welfare benefits and perhaps income continuity insurance to draw on.
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Suggestions for government are that those affected are being directed to the standard social welfare supports.

mathepac said:
Let me rephrase my original question about fire-protection:- the entire site is gutted, wall-to-wall, roof gone, just girders left. If there was adequate fire protection - sprinklers, halon gas, or CO2 flooding in place, how could this have happened?
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I don't think we should speculate on that here. It's standard practice for an investigation to take place after any such fire, should gaps be discovered in the fire protection measures, then charges may follow.
 
galway said:
No elected TD present or past or political party have came out and stated the do not agree with the support promised by the government in power to the business affected,
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What support are you talking about? And are you suggesting that opposition parties are coming out saying that no support should be forthcoming?
 
JoeRoberts said:
Govt is right to help businesses with flood damage as in most cases that is due to lack of govt action on flood defences and poor planning decisions.
A fire is different and there is no equivalent case to be made
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Well the Government take 10.75% in PRSI from employers who get very little back,
In Germany Employers pay around 7 to8% if the above happened the employer can still pay employee,
Retaining skills and employees until business get back up and running is one of a thousands reasons why government stepped is seeing the take the money and give nothing back worth talking about if you have a different view ok, But Ireland would be in trouble if the above views were widespread thankfully they are not,
 
galway said:
But Ireland would be in trouble if the above views were widespread thankfully they are not,
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Will be in trouble if we step in to solve every problem that arises. Businesses need to stand on their own feet.
No idea what prsi rates in Germany has got to do with this.
 
Leo said:
What support are you talking about? And are you suggesting that opposition parties are coming out saying that no support should be forthcoming?
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What I am saying the Government are 100% correct the opposition are also 100% correct ,
 
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JoeRoberts said:
Will be in trouble if we step in to solve every problem that arises. Businesses need to stand on their own feet.
No idea what prsi rates in Germany has got to do with this.
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Well your view has no Government support I wonder why,
 
galway said:
What I am saying the Government are 100% correct the opposition are also 100% correct ,
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It's really not clear at all what you're trying to say. You suggested there was a difference in related policy between government and an opposition party. Perhaps you could explain what you were getting at there?
 
Leo said:
It's really not clear at all what you're trying to say. You suggested there was a difference in related policy between government and an opposition party. Perhaps you could explain what you were getting at there?
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To put it simply no political party or TD in Ireland,
Both Government and opposition have no time for people who do not support helping the businesses affected in the way suggested by Government thankfully none of the other type ever got elected,
 
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Some on hear appear to be mixing up businesses who fail every day of the week and are let go to the wall and the 40 odd business affected by a fire who may need support to restart very quickly to hold on to existing business and skills in an area ,

I suspect lots of the risk would be impossible to Insure which is outside some posters grasp but is well understood by Government and opposition
parties,
not often one business goes on fire and takes out 40 more no connected to it,
 
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galway said:
Some on hear appear to be mixing up businesses who fail every day of the week and are let go to the wall and the 40 odd business affected by a fire who may need support to restart very quickly to hold on to existing business and skills in an area lots of the risk I suspect would be impossible to Insure which is outside the grasp of some on hear
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If they were proper viable businesses they will have insurance including coverage for increased cost of working and loss of gross profit in this scenario.
 
JoeRoberts said:
If they were proper viable businesses they will have insurance including coverage for increased cost of working and loss of gross profit in this scenario.
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Totally out of touch
Many a business collected their chips and went out of buisness,
We are talking about getting affected business up and running again,
 
I'm not really seeing what special action is being taken here by government.
Humanitarian assistance and schemes for affected workers mentioned later in the article.

“Working closely with relevant stakeholders, such as the Department of Social Protection Intreo Centre Waterford, and Buíon Phort Láirge, The Tycor Back to Business Support Scheme is designed to ensure that appropriate supports are made available to affected businesses and organisations, and that recovery efforts are aligned across all relevant services,” said a council spokesperson...
This will involve direct engagement with those affected to identify key issues such as physical damage, job losses, insurance gaps, and operational requirements. These insights will enable the departments and agencies to develop appropriate supports to assist organisations in getting back to business.
In parallel, LEO Waterford will provide mentoring and advisory supports to assist businesses and social enterprises in navigating the recovery process, including identifying and applying for appropriate supports."

I don't see anyone coming out promising lots of new funds, just directing and co-ordinating responses, existing business development \ facilitation schemes. There is no commitment that if a business insurance cover is not sufficient and still there is massive gap to getting them back in business that hand outs will be given.

www.independent.ie

New support schemes for workers and owners affected by Waterford blaze

Government supports are to be made available for the estimated 300 employees and around 40 businesses affected by the devastating blaze which ripped through the Tycor Business Centre in Waterford city on Saturday.
www.independent.ie www.independent.ie
 
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