Selling car privately NCT needed

[NoRegretsCoyote]

It really depends what the issue is. If the car has failed on lights or tyres then a buyer might happily take it and fix it themselves.

For a failure on something like emissions most buyers would be a lot more wary.

But these are really "how long is a piece of string?" type questions. Everything depends on the age and condition of the car and what kind of sale you are trying to make.

 

[Leo]

The car will get a full check by a mechanic before selling it .

Many independent mechanics will have a relationship with the local NCT centre where they will be able to drop a car in for testing without an appointment.

 

[mathepac]

If you buy from a private seller, you have very few legal rights.

Citizens information now vs Irish Times article from 2005

Maths alert. "Very few" although imprecise is not the same as "none".

I don't see the issue here as the value or weight of one information source or citation vs. another, just the usual few snipers from the sidelines trying to derail the discussion for their own ends, behaviour which I see as, at best, unhelpful to the OP's request for help.

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Maths alert. "Very few" although imprecise is not the same as "none".

I don't see the issue here as the value or weight of one information source or citation vs. another, just the usual few snipers from the sidelines trying to derail the discussion for their own ends, behaviour which I see as, at best, unhelpful to the OP's request for help.

Those “very few” rights only relate to obvious things like the vehicle not being the person’s to sell in the first place or someone purporting to be a private seller when they’re actually a dealer.

If I sell my car to you this evening and the wheels fall off or the backside falls out of the thing tomorrow, you have zero comeback.

The online resources make vague references to ‘speaking with the vendor’ and ‘trying to resolve the issue’. The reality is that the vendor can laugh at you because you have no rights.

 

[mathepac]

And your input helps the OP in what way? I rest my case!

 

[rustbucket]

Maths alert. "Very few" although imprecise is not the same as "none".

I don't see the issue here as the value or weight of one information source or citation vs. another, just the usual few snipers from the sidelines trying to derail the discussion for their own ends, behaviour which I see as, at best, unhelpful to the OP's request for help.

How has it been derailed and by whom?

I merely presented a more credible and factual alternative (as did others)

If you are going to reference something to back up an assertion I think the weight and value of the reference are pretty important.

A reference from a statutory website holds significantly more weight than an opinion or article from a newspaper 17 years ago (il just check my maths there….)

As for the ops original request that was dealt with by the first response. It is not a requirement to have a valid nct to sell a car privately.

The derailment happened a little further down the track

 

[Gordon Gekko]

And your input helps the OP in what way? I rest my case!

You’re literally accusing other people of doing exactly what you have done!

The OP has a legitimate query. You offered a half-baked view with some inaccurate detail.

And then when people (rightly) called it out, you accused them of being unhelpful.

 

[mathepac]

A reference from a statutory website holds significantly more weight than an opinion or article from a newspaper 17 years ago (il just check my maths there….)

I chose the reference carefully as the author is a practicing senior partner in a renowned law-firm. You dismiss her opinion very lightly.

You offered a half-baked view with some inaccurate detail.

I offered a legitimate concern backed by solid legal opinion unless you think the legal opinion from the Irish Times 17 years ago is "half-baked" and "inaccurate".

 

[rustbucket]

I chose the reference carefully as the author is a practicing senior partner in a renowned law-firm. You dismiss her opinion very lightly.

Not at all. Presume you read the entire article then and got to this part

‘When you buy from a private seller you have no rights to expect that the car is of merchantable quality or fit for its purpose. You should arrange for your mechanic or an organisation such as the AA to inspect the car.’

Again the OPs query was dealt with regarding the NCT after the first response.

 

[mathepac]

‘When you buy from a private seller you have no rights to expect that the car is of merchantable quality or fit for its purpose. You should arrange for your mechanic or an organisation such as the AA to inspect the car.’

Which is from the buyer's perspective. My intention was to provide protection for the seller against possible suit for selling what might subsequently prove to be a dangerously defective vehicle. This NCT inspection and safety certification by a competent, statutory body has potential benefits for the buyer as well, who might decide to forego the expense of an AA inspection or that of a private mechanic.

 

[llgon]

If I sell my car to you this evening and the wheels fall off or the backside falls out of the thing tomorrow, you have zero comeback.

If you knew this was going to happen you would of course have civil liablity and be open to prosecution.

 

[mathepac]

Many independent mechanics will have a relationship with the local NCT centre where they will be able to drop a car in for testing without an appointment.

Such was my experience with my local mechanic, who lives next door but one. I posted the keys in his letter-box, he took it away and it was returned to my driveway at close of business day, serviced and NCTed. Servicing bill, NCT fee, etc paid by EFT on foot of invoice received with keys through my letter-box

 

[rustbucket]

Which is from the buyer's perspective. My intention was to provide protection for the seller against possible suit for selling what might subsequently prove to be a dangerously defective vehicle. This NCT inspection and safety certification by a competent, statutory body has potential benefits for the buyer as well, who might decide to forego the expense of an AA inspection or that of a private mechanic.

Your reference was an article outlining the rights of buyers.

Nowhere in the article does it provide any information about rights or protection for a private seller (that I can see). Because simply a private seller does not need them.

The buyer has no comeback

‘While the prices of the cars advertised by private sellers may look attractive, beware of the possible pitfalls. If you buy a second-hand car privately you don't get the same legal rights as when buying from a dealer. The legal principle of caveat emptor or "buyer beware" operates.’

It is irrelevant. Consumer law does not apply here. The seller merely sells the car privately (nct or not).

Now if the seller puts sugar in the petrol tank prior to sale (and it can be proven) or if the seller loosens all the wheel nuts (and it can be proven) etc etc then that is a different matter entirely and nothing to do with the sale of the car.

 

[Gordon Gekko]

I chose the reference carefully as the author is a practicing senior partner in a renowned law-firm. You dismiss her opinion very lightly.


I offered a legitimate concern backed by solid legal opinion unless you think the legal opinion from the Irish Times 17 years ago is "half-baked" and "inaccurate".

You’re now deep into Whataboutery territory.

She’s an employment law specialist, but in any event the article doesn’t say what you think it says.

 

[rustbucket]

I think the OPs original question is answered. Perhaps in the spirit of Christmas this thread should be closed