Of course when considering buying an EV it is worth remembering that if your current petrol of Diesel car is working fine and you are only doing 6000 Km a year then the most environmentally friendly thing to do, by far, is just keep your current car.It's threads like this why EV uptake is a lot slower than it should be, someone doing small mileage with with the ability to have their own charger should absolutely be buying an EV
Can't disagree theeeOf course when considering buying an EV it is worth remembering that if your current petrol of Diesel car is working fine and you are only doing 6000 Km a year then the most environmentally friendly thing to do, by far, is just keep your current car.
That makes intuitive sense but isn't necessarily true. The embodied carbon from the manufacture of an iCE vehicle is a relatively minor component of the total lifetime emissions. The vast majority of a typical ICE car's emissions will be from buring fuel throughout its life. For a car used less than average, this is nevertheless true.Purple said:
Of course when considering buying an EV it is worth remembering that if your current petrol of Diesel car is working fine and you are only doing 6000 Km a year then the most environmentally friendly thing to do, by far, is just keep your current car.
Not necessarily.The vast majority of a typical ICE car's emissions will be from buring fuel throughout its life.
Care to clarify this? I presume this is a response to a non PHEV Hybrid?Yes, you don’t get any of the ‘cheaper’ power from home charging.
You cannot compare different 'fuel' consumption between ICE, BEV and Hybrid on a single plane. There are many different factors and personal circumstance to consider. (Again maybe I am misreading your reply to other previous posts)Or the favorable tax treatment on the purchase price of a fully electric or plug in hybrid which on paper have much much better ‘fuel’ consumption.
I generally dislike "generalisations" in general commentary about what the mass populace's general best options are in terms of cars!Generally the plug in hybrid versions of any new car in sale in Ireland is the best option price wise due to our tax regime, however only some models are available with it. E.g fom Toyota , Prius, rav4.
Where I have I suggested anything, but perhaps you haven't had time to read my follow up post.Would you suggest then a "What's the best option for motive transport for me/us?" template with a detailed financial, lifestyle, and environmental statementss like the Financial Makeover template?
Seems to me to be a bit of a disingenuous question...If so would you volunteer your expertise to developing such a template?
Not if you live in the sticks and have experienced the disconnectedness of TFI's services.Ultimately surely the perfect answer for "What's the best option for motive transport for me/us?" will be Public Transport.
Unsurprising you'd see it that way, but horses for courses. There, maybe that's the ultimate answer, horses.Seems to me to be a bit of a disingenious question...
I never said you suggested anything, I asked a perfectly reasonable question. Maybe you need to read my post - here's a reminder -Where I have I suggested anything, but perhaps you haven't had time to read my follow up post.
Would you suggest then a "What's the best option for motive transport for me/us?" template with a detailed financial, lifestyle, and environmental statementss like the Financial Makeover template?
No, it's not necessarily true but it is almost certainly true, particularly in this case. Due to the dirty nature of ICE cars traditionally the tailpipe emissions accounted for 80% of lifetime pollution. Newer ICE cars, in the last 20 years, are cleaner but the production costs are still energy intensive.That makes intuitive sense but isn't necessarily true. The embodied carbon from the manufacture of an iCE vehicle is a relatively minor component of the total lifetime emissions. The vast majority of a typical ICE car's emissions will be from buring fuel throughout its life. For a car used less than average, this is nevertheless true.
Not really that simple.Of course when considering buying an EV it is worth remembering that if your current petrol of Diesel car is working fine and you are only doing 6000 Km a year then the most environmentally friendly thing to do, by far, is just keep your current car.
Cheaper motor tax and likely cheaper fuel (particularly if you get solar panels) just cannot be ignored.
Not enough people get this, also removes the need for the car to be plugged in constantly to.collect the solarSolar panels are entirely irrelevant to the cost of fueling a BEV. The feed in tariff is more than night rate electricity, so it will always be cheaper to fuel at night and feed any daytime solar surplus back to the grid r
Agreed, though as you say the chances are it's higher than that.Not really that simple.
- Say your ICE gets 5 litres per 100km on average, that's 300 litres of fuel for 6,000km annually. At a conversion factor of 2.6kg carbon per litre, that's 780kg carbon per year. Plus NOx etc.
The EPA figure for the Irish grid is now 255kg per KWh. That's mainly due to the importation of much cleaner nuclear power from the UK grid.
- A new BEV will use around 15kwh for the same 100km or 900kwh annually. That's 330g per kwh from the Irish grid or 300kg or so of carbon annually, or an annual saving of 480kg (again, ignoring NOx etc).
Where did you get the 7,000kg figure?A new BEV has embedded carbon of around 7,000kg (some 2,000kg more than the ICE equivalent), or about 15 years worth of driving on the above figures.
BUT the OP's fuel usage may well be much higher than 5 litres per 100km- the last pure ICE I had was around 6 litres per 100km in ideal conditions, and 6,000km suggests a lot of short low speed runs which kill your fuel efficiency, So 7.5 litres per 100km may be more realistic for the OP. That brings the annual carbon emissions up to 1,170 and the annual carbon savings from changing to a BEV to 870kg (slow runs are more efficient for a BEV, the opposite to an ICE) which brings the carbon break-even time from changing to a brand new BEV all the way down from 15 to 8 years.
226g per kwh per their website right now. That's dropped significantly since the last time I looked it up. https://www.seai.ie/data-and-insights/seai-statistics/conversion-factorsThe EPA figure for the Irish grid is now 255kg per KWh. That's mainly due to the importation of much cleaner nuclear power from the UK grid.
Googled it essentially. I needed the details for work but I've frankly no idea where the document with the relevant reference is currently located.Where did you get the 7,000kg figure?
The benefits of importing clean, sustainable, environmentally friendly nuclear power.226g per kwh per their website right now. That's dropped significantly since the last time I looked it up. https://www.seai.ie/data-and-insights/seai-statistics/conversion-factors
Yea, I looked before and I can't see how anyone can put a figure on it as there are so many variables. Chinese batteries have a way more environmentally damaging manufacturing process than US or European batteries and older EV's were worse than newer EV's etc.Googled it essentially. I needed the details for work but I've frankly no idea where the document with the relevant reference is currently located.
It’s a wonder the marketing people haven’t exploited that angle.running the parents around to appointments and occasional trips to ikea… the hatchback is useful for that. The seats fold all sorts of useful ways for zimmer frames and wheelchairs and the oldies find it easy to get in and out of.
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