If your source of income is gone then your pay is cut?
If your source of income is gone then your pay is cut?That’s not a pay cut.
Your definition of a pay cut is having your income reduced?when thousands of employees (and employers) in the private sector, particularly hospitality, saw their incomes reduced and turnover decimated.
Fair pointIf your source of income is gone then your pay is cut?
They got small pay cuts. Those cuts have been reversed but they have continued to get other pay rides in the form of increments.
I’m not saying that public servants are over paid, in fact the numbers suggest that at the higher end they are under paid. I do think that structural inefficiencies in the broader state sector need to be addressed, as do work practices in some areas.
It was an additional contribution to their pensions. They still come nowhere near finding them, the vast majority of private sector employees also don’t fund their own state pension.The pay cuts were not small and included a very large decrease in take home pay with the introduction of the ASC (additional superannuation contribution) which is an extra tax imposed on public servants only.
I agree. Both pre 95 and retired public servants should have had to share the pain.It might be justified for pre 95 entrants but those on the single scheme post 2013 have vastly inferior pensions.
While there was considerable uncertainty and therefore considerable bravery amongst employees in the healthcare industry there was actually low to moderate risk for them and none worth talking about in the education sector.Many also risked their health and that of their families working in crowded environments before vaccinations during the pandemic.
Strange because statistics from the UK (we don't bother compiling any here) show that from the 2nd Covid Wave onwards those working in Education are among those most likely to suffer with Long Covid along with health and social care staff. office for National Statistics showing that those working in the education sector are 37 per cent more likely to test positive for Covid-19none worth talking about in the education sector.
Okay, but the chances of testing positive for Covid was relatively low and the chances of becoming very is or dying from Covid are extremely low. If the chances of infection was a multiple of other sectors then it would be of real concern.Strange because statistics from the UK (we don't bother compiling any here) show that from the 2nd Covid Wave onwards those working in Education are among those most likely to suffer with Long Covid along with health and social care staff. office for National Statistics showing that those working in the education sector are 37 per cent more likely to test positive for Covid-19
Fair points but in the period leading up to the 2008 crash the State sector enjoyed massive pay increases, well ahead of the private sector. Picking a segment on the graph really tells us nothing.According to the CSO, over the seven years from Q42014 average hourly earnings in the public sector have risen by 14%, and the private sector by 21%.
Inflation was 7% over the same period. This left public sector workers with about a 7% real pay increase, approximately half the real pay increase experienced by the private sector of 13%.
A lot of ground has been lost by public sector workers over the period and I don't think there is an Irish journalist who has spotted this.
Plenty of people in the private sector took cuts when the Tiger collapsed and many many more lost their livelihood during Covid.
No need for the side swipe. The statistics compiled in the UK speak for themselves.You'd hardly expect a Magazine for teachers not to play up the risk. They need something to talk about when they are telling each other and everyone else how wonderful they are.
Fair point, but it's also fair to say that no permanent employee lost their job in the Public sector, despite their employer effectively being bankrupt. In fact their employer is still borrowing to fund day to day expenditure, including paying their wages.During the Great Recession 2008-2012, there were cuts to overtime, bonuses, etc., and lots of people lost their jobs.
However, cuts to basic pay were rare, mainly due to the fact that neither the employer nor the workers want it to happen.
The only sector where there were general cuts to basic pay was the public sector.
As is every country in the world, so what's your point? You may be confusing the Goverments with business owners, etc.Fair point, but it's also fair to say that no permanent employee lost their job in the Public sector, despite their employer effectively being bankrupt. In fact their employer is still borrowing to fund day to day expenditure, including paying their wages.
Bankrupt employers rarely give pay rises.As is every country in the world, so what's your point?
Fiscal responsibility is important to businesses who are spending their own money. It should be important to governments too, even though they are spending other people's money.You may be confusing the Goverments with business owners, etc.
No, I've a high regard for the Irish Civil Service. I think they do a good job, are significantly under staffed and at the higher levels significantly under paid.Your chip on the shoulder with regards to public servants is beginning to wear somewhat thin at this stage. Is it possible you didn't make the grade at one stage or another?
Yea, but we are a quarter of a trillion in debt.The State may have run current budget deficits in 2020 and maybe in 2021, yes.
But not in 2022.
So the freeze on increments under Haddington Road was a pay cut but the payment of increments nowadays is not a pay rise? Or are you referring to those on 80k or more, who in fairness, took a temporary pay cut (which plenty of people in the private sector on those salaries also took).During the Great Recession 2008-2012, there were cuts to overtime, bonuses, etc., and lots of people lost their jobs.
However, cuts to basic pay were rare, mainly due to the fact that neither the employer nor the workers want it to happen.
The only sector where there were general cuts to basic pay was the public sector.
I find the need amongst teachers in particular, and nurses to a slightly lesser extent, for continuous validation by strangers to be bizarre. I also find self-aggrandisement distasteful.