The above is succinct and honest. I agree with the points however I will be voting no because this is about ending the life of a child in the womb.
The above is succinct and honest. I agree with the points however I will be voting no because this is about ending the life of a child in the womb.I'll probably be voting yes but this is about ending the life of a child in the womb.
It is not a feminist issue.
It is not a religious issue.
It is not a progressive v regressive issue.
It is legislating for something which is weighty and tragic and traumatic and will have a major impact on every women making that decision and many of the men who are the fathers of those unborn children.
And I could easily find myself doing the same thing. There's no good option here.The above is succinct and honest. I agree with the points however I will be voting no because this is about ending the life of a child in the womb.
It is legislating for something which is weighty and tragic and traumatic and will have a major impact on every women making that decision and many of the men who are the fathers of those unborn children.
A abortion is a horrible thing but sometimes is it the least worst option.
Presenting it as merely a medical procedure is wrong and suggesting that any women's life is being put as risk because of what's currently in place is also wrong.
Denying the reality that Irish women have abortions at the moment, often without support and always in a different country, is also wrong.
i have to go with lepers post at the start of this thread ,speaking as a male i believe that all males should remain neutral ,should not vote should not canvass should not be involved in any way ,this is a female issue ,it is the female who will get pregnant and who will have to live for the rest of their lives with whatever decision they judge to be correct at that time ,
ladies do you want men to decide/dictate what you do with your body?
gentle men do not approach my door from either side on this issue you will not be entertained
The 8th amendment puts the right to life of the unborn first and foremost, with a woman's right secondary (note that I say 'woman' here - the 8th says 'mother' but not all pregnant women are already mothers. I did not consider myself to be a mother until my baby was born and I've never come across anyone who did). Is a woman's life equal to that of an unborn foetus? Absolutely not. Yet women have been denied medical treatment, been allowed to develop sepsis and die, have been allowed to become dangerously ill during miscarriage, and have been kept artificially 'alive' after brain death, against the wishes of next-of-kin, all because of the 8th. Can you justify any of those scenarios? None were the victims of rape as far as I know.
Look many many people in the Citizens Assembly sat for many many hours debating this before coming to an agreement that on demand access up to 12 weeks was the best proposal here so I very much doubt that anyone on an internet forum can type up a reply to summarise all of the points made both in favour and against. But in answer to the question of why the government went with this, I think it's fair to say they studied and deliberated on the findings from the Citizens Assembly and made the decision based on that.
You seem to be rehashing and misrepresenting some high-profile cases perhaps hoping to bolster support for repeal, which is now waning as the prospect of unrestricted abortion looms large.The 8th allowed the scenarios I outlined to occur.
I haven't heard much from the anti-abortion side about contraception and education for young people especially boys (all those girls don't get pregnant on their own you know, yet they're frequently painted as sex-mad with no regard for the consequences. Eh, what about the boys?). Maybe that's where they should concentrate their efforts?
You seem to be rehashing and misrepresenting some high-profile cases perhaps hoping to bolster support for repeal, which is now waning as the prospect of unrestricted abortion looms large.
Decrying the Eighth Amendment for restricting doctors is disingenuous. Section 48 (page 35) of the Medical Council Guidelines makes it clear that doctors can and should provide all necessary medical treatment to expectant women, the Eighth Amendment being no impediment in this regard.
The proposed liberal abortion-on-demand regime goes far beyond edge cases. If the Eighth Amendment is repealed then every year thousands more voiceless, unborn girls and boys will have their beating hearts stopped on the strength of falsehoods and in the name of Choice.
I doubt any formulation of legislation could ever deal satisfactorily with the many different 'difficult' scenarios that we know about and which might occur in the future. Legislation should be general enough to deal with them all.
Some people see abortion on-demand as a form of contraception though...
I doubt any anti-abortionist views abortion as a form of contraception. So, who are these people? I'd love to see some research on this.
Some people support the death penalty for some crimes but not for others. Some people support abortion up to 12 weeks, some to 24 weeks, some longer. It's not a black and white issue.If you are anti-abortion, then surely you are anti-abortion for all reasons?
The 8th amendment does not put the right to life of the unborn first and foremost, with a woman's right secondary. That is incorrect.The 8th amendment puts the right to life of the unborn first and foremost, with a woman's right secondary (note that I say 'woman' here - the 8th says 'mother' but not all pregnant women are already mothers. I did not consider myself to be a mother until my baby was born and I've never come across anyone who did). Is a woman's life equal to that of an unborn foetus? Absolutely not. Yet women have been denied medical treatment, been allowed to develop sepsis and die, have been allowed to become dangerously ill during miscarriage, and have been kept artificially 'alive' after brain death, against the wishes of next-of-kin, all because of the 8th. Can you justify any of those scenarios? None were the victims of rape as far as I know.
Correct.Decrying the Eighth Amendment for restricting doctors is disingenuous. Section 48 (page 35) of the Medical Council Guidelines makes it clear that doctors can and should provide all necessary medical treatment to expectant women, the Eighth Amendment being no impediment in this regard.
By introducing abortion on demand up to 12 weeks, which likely will be free to people on medical cards, and maybe covered by health insurance plans, you are removing one incentive to use other means. What's the big deal about taking a pill every day to prevent the event, if you can just take a different pill after the event should pregnancy occur?