A sledgehammer to crack a nut...hard cases are as it says, hard cases. They probably make up less than 10% of total pregnancies.
As per the stat put out by the No side, based on info from the NHS, 97% of abortions are on healthy, normal babies.
but it has noting to do with holy catholic Ireland anymore, at least not for the vast majority of people..But by voting No do you genuinely think you're saving the 90% or the 97% - if I thought I was I'd probably vote No, but voting No is just stimulating the market for airline and ferry traffic. So for the sake of the 10% I'm willing to save costs & hassle for the 90% I don't agree with. Keeping holy Catholic Ireland "abortion free" (which is the net practical effect of the status quo) is national delusion, I don't see the value is maintaining that pretence.
And when we have abortion here (for it will eventually come in), how many more abortions will there be v's the 3,250 currently recorded int he UK as being by Irish women last year? 10,000 is the figure I've seen bandied about which is what would put us on a par with the stats in England/Wales.But by voting No do you genuinely think you're saving the 90% or the 97% - if I thought I was I'd probably vote No, but voting No is just stimulating the market for airline and ferry traffic.
A No will save the lives of 1000's of unborn children every year. Irish abortion rates are somewhere between 1/3 and 1/4 that of Great Britain. It would be self-delusional to think that, on the introduction of a liberal abortion regime, our figures won't climb towards parity with Great Britain. Abortion on demand will lead to more demand for abortion. I hope that the middle ground will reject this proposal as too extreme.But by voting No do you genuinely think you're saving the 90% or the 97% - if I thought I was I'd probably vote No
That 97% includes many hard cases (for example rape cases, incest, etc.) so as with a lot of this campaign it is a number intended to shock people.A sledgehammer to crack a nut...hard cases are as it says, hard cases. They probably make up less than 10% of total pregnancies.
As per the stat put out by the No side, based on info from the NHS, 97% of abortions are on healthy, normal babies.
I agree but I don't understand why people are comparing abortion to allowing adults to marry and divorce.I heard the same thing after the divorce referendum and how we will all be getting divorced. Never happened. Heard the same about same sex marriage and how all these gay people would be rushing out to get kids and family values would be destroyed. Hasn't happened.
I agree but I don't understand why people are comparing abortion to allowing adults to marry and divorce.
TrueI'm not...Point is that campaigns like this are always run with one side predicting some sort of breakdown of normal society if there is a change. Had it with divorce. Had it with same sex marriage. Had it with Lisbon treaty etc etc etc........
A better analogy would be the criticism of the Protection of Life During Pregancy Act, where it was said that we'd have loads of women pretending to be suicidal in order to obtain an abortion. It never materialised. Of the 25 cases under the Act in 2016, one was due to risk of suicide: https://health.gov.ie/blog/press-re...013-laid-before-the-houses-of-the-oireachtas/ . I for one am glad that the 24 other women in 2016 received the necessary treatment here in Ireland, and I want all those who require it, for whatever reason, also to receive treatment in Ireland.I agree but I don't understand why people are comparing abortion to allowing adults to marry and divorce.
Indeed but what % of that 97% are those hard cases? 5% or so max, couldn't be much more than that?That 97% includes many hard cases (for example rape cases, incest, etc.) so as with a lot of this campaign it is a number intended to shock people.
Yes. Free and easy access to abortion will lead, over time, to the closing of the gap between the Irish rate and the British rate. "Are you going to keep it?" will be a common question. Abortion will become a normal option which will become easier to ratioanlise. I guess time will tell, but I hope you're right and I'm wrong.Are we honestly saying that the only reason there aren't thousands more abortions every year is that women have to travel to London? Maybe it's simply because there isn't a demand for thousands more abortions and there still won't be that demand after this referendum....
Indeed but what % of that 97% are those hard cases? 5% or so max, couldn't be much more than that?
So again, a sledgehammer to crack a nut no matter what angle you look at it from.
A sledgehammer to crack a nut...hard cases are as it says, hard cases. They probably make up less than 10% of total pregnancies.
As per the stat put out by the No side, based on info from the NHS, 97% of abortions are on healthy, normal babies.
Any result predictions? I wouldn't be at all confident of a Yes, I'm thinking 52/48 and could go either way.
That chimes with what I think. I guess it may come down to turnout. The same sex marriage referendum was a much easier sell than this and that was 62/38 on a 60% turnout. The poll today said 44% yes, 32% no, 17% don't no, 7% won't vote . . I'd be surprised if the turnout was more then 60% and I suspect that a higher percentage of the nos than the yeses will vote, so it should be very close. It's not something I'd bet on but the value is perhaps No @ 5/2.I'm thinking 52/48 and could go either way.
The choice to decide what action to take should be in their hands.
Do you regard the baby as having any rights?
fatherhood at a young ago or just if it is unplanned is also a life changing event and a similar stigmatisation can occur (sometimes it's worse because of the societal assumption that he's a dead-beat dad). There are major financial implications and if he's an engaged father then there can be a massive impact on his educational and career prospects. Do you think he should be able to have his child aborted?