New Revenue flag ??????
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JoeRoberts
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May be a secret code to identify us as a tax haven. ..
In Revenue’s case, it highlights a simple message: We’ll nail everyone equally.They're displaying it for Pride month as they have done for years. Same as many other organisations/companies. You didn't notice it before?
In fairness, most people have long gone past any feelings of insecurity or homophobia in relation to the original aspirations of the pride movement.
In Ireland, it has its roots in the protest against the acquittal of a group of young men for the killing of a gay man in fairview park back in the 80s. It was a different world back then and those who marched back then in support of gay rights were extremely brave trailblazers. They deserve our utmost respect.
But the cultural antagonism against gay people has been overcome. The battle has thankfully been won.
The current pride movement is a different animal entirely and I don’t think it’s homophobic (or transphobic) to critically evaluate its current reason for being or its objectives. It’s morphed into something else completely. While I wouldn’t consider myself a prude, I think the pride march for example borders on vulgarity. Having seen it, I certainly wouldn’t have wanted my children to have seen it.
I honestly can’t understand why it merits a full month to celebrate or why government departments feel it necessary to support as strongly as they do. By its own description, it is a political movement and should not be endorsed by the permanent government which is supposed to be apolitical.
There are other movements that in my opinion are as least as worthy of wider support. But for some reason, they don’t seem to attract the same government endorsement.
This is objectively untrue and does not correspond with the experiences of any gay people that I know.
I don't know what parade you attended but 99% of it is just people marching along in colourful outfits. You would see more skin on a day at the beach and more outrageous costumes among a hen party walking down O'Connell Street of an afternoon. If you go to Amsterdam Pride you would spontaneously combust - it is much more ostentatious and yet the audience is full of families.
I'll tell my uncle that the next time he gets harassed, threatened or attacked for kisses his partner in public.
That'ed be a homage to the bisexual bit of the flag so.
I see your point. I suppose it's about normalising it all. I do question if the gay community is a community. I know quite a few gay people and their sexuality certainly isn't their defining characteristic.
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I respectfully disagree. There is a difference is obtaining legal rights and having those rights wholly adopted by civil society.
I has taken thousands of years for recognition of rights of LGBTQ communities. While some congratulatory back-slapping should be allowed to recognise achievements of recent years, I would be wary of taking my eye of the ball and thinking nothing to see here anymore. There are still many parts of the worlds including some of our partner countries within the EU that have some way to progress.
Well things have come a long way since the early days of the pride movement when gay people where feared, shunned and under threat to their safety.
While there are always the very ignorant who will never be turned, civil society in Ireland generally very well disposed to all issues of equality.
Perhaps. But a month-long celebration? At this stage, there are other societal challenges that might more productively benefit from a month long focus.
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The problem for a lot of people in society is the never ending extensions beyond L&G. People rightly have to abide by the laws in force but they don't have to accept it in their own minds. Unfortunately no one is allowed have a contrary view on this. And no rational discussion is allowed. Everyone should have rights respected, even those who disagree.
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Well, fair enough, a month may be too much for some. Its no skin off my back, it can be a permanent thing all year round for as much as I care about that.
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Of course you are allowed to have a contrary view - some of which are being expressed in this thread!
With respect, I would question whether the pride movement, in its current iteration, is having any positive impact on the remaining cohort of people who have a difficulty with gay people.
That's not what it's for. I don't think black people should change their behaviour or that immigrants should alter their culture in order to placate racists. In the same way I don't think that LGBT+ people should have to placate bigots. If I've a problem with gay people then that's by problem to deal with, not theirs.
I don't think that anybody criticising any marches, flavour-of-the-month celebrations etc should be described as a bigot. Many just get fed up with minorities challenging the majority and inflicting their groans on others. This includes self styled influencers etc We all survived without such marches in the past and everyone will survive them in the future.
Lots of gay people didn't. That's kind of the point.
I object to Church bells blaring out the Angelus and Mullahs calling people to player and other manifestations and celebrations and affirmations of what I consider to be nonsensical and immoral cults which offer the prospect of infinite punishment for finite crimes but I accept that other people have to the right to their beliefs.
Unlike sexual orientation religion is an actual lifestyle choice but that notwithstanding people have the right to believe whatever they want to believe and practice it in public.
The thing is we have too many marches. Someday we'll have marches against marches or in favour of marches. They achieve little or nothing. Some of my gay friends are against marches. Great to be marching, but nobody fixes anything after the march. The same can be said for midnight 10km runs. The lot are disruptive to say the least.