Is there broad support for the current Public Sector strikes?

@JoeRoberts you are not seriously suggesting that someone who had an x-ray scheduled for their sore toe last week will never get the x-ray done? Or that all future x-rays for similar ailments are to be pushed forward by one day indefinitely?

How many people will die because of this?
 
950 are re-scheduled. The point being, no-one has died as a consequence of the strike as is claimed in some quarters.
You might be surprised by the number of non-urgent screenings that pick up life threatening conditions. The majority of cancer screenings are not classed as urgent. My father was diagnosed via a routine screening some years back, and was in the OR within hours undergoing life-saving surgery.
 
Yes. That is how numbers work when a system is at capacity. You are trying to defy maths.

Wait a second. My mother is due a screening for this Friday, are you saying her appointment is to be re-scheduled to facilitate all the 14th Oct screenings?

This is just mad stuff altogether.
 
You are the only one suggesting that screening is not taking place. Screening for routine, elective and non-urgent is being re-scheduled, that is all. The screening is taking place.
There is X amount of capacity for screening each day. If there is no screening on a particular day on which it normally takes place then that capacity is lost forever. Ergo those tests don't take place. If they are rescheduled for a later date then other tests which would have taken place on those days do not happen. The net result is an overall lengthening of waiting times and delays in tests and the corresponding delays in diagnosis and treatment. That in turn leads to worse outcomes.


950 are re-scheduled. The point being, no-one has died as a consequence of the strike as is claimed in some quarters.
Yes, there are 950 added to the queue and the other tests and screenings are delayed by the amount of time required to do those 950 rescheduled tests and screenings.
 
And Purple could do a teacher training degree !
Tu Quoque (Appeal to Hypocrisy): Instead of addressing the merits of an argument (such as working conditions, pay, or school schedules), the speaker attacks the critic's personal career path or choices. It assumes that because you didn't choose the profession yourself, you have no right to comment on it.
 
Sounds like a remuneration nightmare created by HR with decisions made for non-business reasons over time and then a constant scramble to rectify the anomalies. Sounds like the guvvermint to me.

Well you've completely missed the target there!

It's also linked to whether or not your employer is making a profit. The other factor in the private sector, particularly in the SME sector, is "I have to work hard so that my employer stays in business and I have a job".

In the SME Sector? (which is what I was referring to)

You were referring to the SME sector in particular but the private sector in general. In any case, SME operations lack the size and organisational complexity which makes industrial relations comparisons largely redundant.

Is it still in operation here and still making losses?

It was a publicly traded US MNC. Looks like it was acquired in Feb 26. 15 year stock performance of CAGR -20.8%. <20 quarters out of 40+ with positive Net Income. Huge cumulative losses.

Is that in the State sector or a Unionised sector which is not open to real competition?

Tech MNC.

To you think that the viability of the business is part of the business environment?

I mean yes, but...

I said 'business environment' to capture the externalities and internalities that affect a business and hence pay. 'Viability' is narrow and nebulous. A business is viable until it isn't.

The issues of profit and 'business viability' do not apply to the public sector, there's no point in pretending they do. While they may be a factor in determining individual pay in the private sector its just irrelevant for this discussion (It's tangential to the issue but my point is that the pay/performance link, as you described, does not operate in the way you are claiming it does). Public sector performance comes down to efficiency. Which is subjective and difficult to attribute in complex organisations.
 
@Purple @JoeRoberts you appear to making a declaration that there is no capacity to re-schedule without disrupting everyone else. This is complete misunderstanding of how the service operates.

First of all, using the 950 cancelled screenings it is understood that none of them are critical or with time constraints. The other 50 were.
Yes, patients have been inconvenienced but their lives are not at stake.

If you present yourself for a screening of any kind without any obvious symptoms or ailments that is your own arrangement the HSE does not schedule it for you. If that appointment was cancelled on account of the industrial action then you can re-schedule at a time of your choosing. If that subsequent screening (typically blood, urine tests, physical exam) shows or detects readings of a negative kind you will be asked to return for further screenings in time, depending on the assessment and referral of the GP - at this point, you are now 'time-constrained' patient. Depending on the assessment or referral of GP it could be hours/days/ weeks/months before there is a need to carry out further screening, or even immediate referral to A&E.

Further screenings may involve x-ray, mri scan etc, and then even after that you may be referred for a biopsy. This all takes time.

The only way you will be referred to A&E on the same day as a scheduled screening is either you are clearly showing symptoms of a serious nature, eg, vomiting, bleeding, fainting etc...or following intensive screening a period following blood, urine, scan, biopsy (over a period of time because it takes time for the labratory to diagnose ailments).

If you presented yourself to your GP, or A&E on the day of the industrial strike with serious symptoms you would have been treated by medical staff.
If you were scheduled an appointment on the 14th Oct as a patient already undergoing screening with urgent time-constraint you appointment would not have been cancelled.
If you were scheduled an appointment on the 14th Oct as a patient already undergoing screening but not with urgent time-constraints your appointment will be re-scheduled in sufficient time to treat the ailment.
 
. If that appointment was cancelled on account of the industrial action then you can re-schedule at a time of your choosing. If that subsequent screening (typically blood, urine tests, physical exam) shows or detects readings of a negative kind you will be asked to return for further screenings in time, depending on the assessment and referral of the GP - at this point, you are now 'time-constrained' patient. Depending on the assessment or referral of GP it could be hours/days/ weeks/months before there is a need to carry out further screening, or even immediate referral to A&E.
Yes, it is the delay to the subsequent screening, caused by the cancellation of the initial appointment due to the industrial action, which then leads to a delay in diagnosis and in turn leads to worse outcomes including death.

My father has cancer, picked up during routine screening. My wife had breast cancer, picked up during routine screening. My Ex-wife is a GP who has strong views on this topic due to the issues I have highlighted. I've been around that particular merry-go-round a few times.
 
The only way you will be referred to A&E on the same day as a scheduled screening is either you are clearly showing symptoms of a serious nature, eg, vomiting, bleeding, fainting etc...or following intensive screening a period following blood, urine, scan, biopsy (over a period of time because it takes time for the labratory to diagnose ailments).
That is factually incorrect.
 
You were referring to the SME sector in particular but the private sector in general. In any case, SME operations lack the size and organisational complexity which makes industrial relations comparisons largely redundant.
Sure, but not having to worry about the viability of the business you work in is a big plus.

It was a publicly traded US MNC. Looks like it was acquired in Feb 26. 15 year stock performance of CAGR -20.8%. <20 quarters out of 40+ with positive Net Income. Huge cumulative losses.
Okay, it was a loss making business which was bought and, I'm sure, restructured. That means it doesn't exist and/or lots of the people who worked there lost their job. That's the private sector for ya.

I said 'business environment' to capture the externalities and internalities that affect a business and hence pay. 'Viability' is narrow and nebulous.
No, viability is a equation.

A business is viable until it isn't.
That's a very strange thing to say. Businesses should be aware of impending changes to their market or trading conditions and should act accordingly in order to remain viable.
 
It assumes that because you didn't choose the profession yourself, you have no right to comment on it.
I didn't train to work in or for Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Neff, Samsung, Sony, Zanussi, Karcher, or Normende for example, but they constantly seek my feedback/commentary in terms of how useful or otherwise I find their products and services. They don't seek to outright deny me the right to comment or dismiss my input out of hand.
 
The only way you will be referred to A&E on the same day as a scheduled screening is either you are clearly showing symptoms of a serious nature, eg, vomiting, bleeding, fainting etc...or following intensive screening a period following blood, urine, scan, biopsy (over a period of time because it takes time for the labratory to diagnose ailments).
As @Purple noted above, that is not correct. Outpatient screenings that require admission aren't routed through A&E, they are escalated for admission or transfer to a site offering the procedure required. Presentations that give rise to sufficient concern skip the queue in the on-site labs too and don't go though outsourcing to the private sector as a lot of low priority testing does.

If you were scheduled an appointment on the 14th Oct as a patient already undergoing screening with urgent time-constraint you appointment would not have been cancelled.
All in-patient appointments were cancelled that day, there was a skeleton staff in place to cover any emergencies that arose during the day, but emergencies don't make appointments.
 
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